# 221
11-14-2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by walshicus
... Did we not just have several weeks of testing on Tribble to provide feedback for just this sort of change? Were we not told that STFs would still grant ~950 dilithium a run?
How can you expect us to trust you, and as a result *want* to work with you to support this game, if you're as deceptive here as you have been? Frankly Cryptic suck on this one. |
You can't ask people for feedback and then ignore it.
You know what happens?
You won't get any.
Then when people quit playing and you try to ask "why?", you won't like the answer.
# 222
11-14-2012, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99
I'd read the Giffiths/Cole paper before. And it's focused on friendships in MMOs, which is more of a function of chat than of gameplay. I maintain that in terms of gameplay, there is more interest in ambient and indirect interaction than in coordinated and directly competitive interaction. And that's kindof an obvious principle because the latter two are more resource taxing and largely irrelevant to socialization.
Which has zilch to do with PvP or coordinated play. Additionally, when people DO coordinated play with friends, yes, it's theoretically less socially taxing. But that doesn't mean they want to team with or fight people they are NOT friends with. 70% HAVING friends is not the same as 70% BEING friends. So you've got 5-10 friends that you like playing with. What does that say about anything? The more striking number is that 30% have none. |
When I joined STO I didn't know anyone in game. I came here for Star Trek. I didn't really make any friends in the game UNTIL I started playing co-operative play. In fact I have made all my friends on STO through playing STF's. STF's brought people together for a focused effort in co-ordinated team play, through it I found out who was goo dat doing missions and began enjoying spending time with those people and becoming friends with them.
Today when I logged on the STF's channels were dead.
I think you need to re-evaluate your own qualitative experience in the light of others, because I am afraid you are wrong.
# 223
11-14-2012, 06:56 AM
Here's something interesting: it should take four (4) hours to get 8000 Dilithium, according to this blog. Even at paying only 25 Dilithium per Z point, that gives you 320 Zen. So for four hours of work, you get $3.20 (and per the quotes below, doing things solely for dilithium and not for the fun of playing, is not a game, it is work). That's pretty far below minimum wage. Just saying.
If the devs want us to spend more time in the game, give us more stuff to do, don't artificially time gate gear.
Have to agree with the quotes below.
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Have to agree with the quotes below.
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Originally Posted by maarkean
This is ridiculous.
WTF? I play this game versus specifically because it DOESN'T require hours of time investment. I like that about this game. And so does everyone I know who plays. We all have kids and jobs and don't have the time to invest. Making us work harder for things isn't going to make us play more, its going to drive us away from the game. I really, really hate that mentality of game designers. It's a GAME, not a job. What really boggles the mind is this: Most players DON'T convert very much dilithium. So you're going to make it HARDER to get it? Why? How does that make any sense what so ever? I hate conspiracy theories but those that claim this is just a scam to get us to buy Dilithium with Zen don't sound so crazy now. |
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Originally Posted by superherofan
I'm not even going to try to make sense of any of this nonsense. It's all lies and bull****, because they just want us to buy dilithium with zen. Everything else is just blah blah blah.
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# 224
11-14-2012, 06:57 AM
Last edited by linyive; 11-14-2012 at 07:36 AM.
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11-14-2012, 07:00 AM
# 226
11-14-2012, 07:07 AM
The quote below about story bears repeating, especially the part where Kirkfat says: "Your team provides stupid virtual goodies and not Star Trek." That'ws why I left the game for some time - I was bored running the same stuff over and over again.
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Originally Posted by kirksplat
If you want to know why my lvl 50 stopped grinding dilithium... what is the point? I don't care about stupid virtual goodies. I care about Star Trek. You team provides stupid virtual goodies and not Star Trek. So, I stopped caring about your stuff and cared far more about the only place in this game that has a soul or a story.
I'm sorry if I didn't meet your MMO expectations. I don't like to mow the lawn every day as a chore. I'd rather feel immersed in the universe of Trek, when your game isn't ruining all levels of that immersion. Like, what exactly do you want me, as a player to do in this game? You want me to rush back and forth between the same content that I played yesterday? You want me to just rinse and repeat content that uninspired to begin with? It's like you want me to circle an arcade on a daily basis with set tasks to do, which include doing things that suck and are simply not fun to do. "Now is your time to farm anomalies.... Now is your time to play some slogfest with no story... no is your time to repair a satellite that breaks everyday..." Your dilithium is dumb. Your starbases are a reskinned doff system, and your reputation system is a repeat of that reskin. I'm sorry. I refuse to waste my time with things that are not fun. Screw that. None of that is fun. I'll play how I want to play, and I've officially stopped caring about how you want or expect me to play your non-content content. You stopped caring about the "meat" of your game a long time ago. |
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# 227
11-14-2012, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord
If we are talking personal experience as you seem to be then let me tell you how my personal experience and those I have spoken to in-game is totally out of whack with your thinking.
When I joined STO I didn't know anyone in game. I came here for Star Trek. I didn't really make any friends in the game UNTIL I started playing co-operative play. In fact I have made all my friends on STO through playing STF's. STF's brought people together for a focused effort in co-ordinated team play, through it I found out who was goo dat doing missions and began enjoying spending time with those people and becoming friends with them. Today when I logged on the STF's channels were dead. I think you need to re-evaluate your own qualitative experience in the light of others, because I am afraid you are wrong. |
I don't think you and I are fundamentally disagreeing about the negative consequences of these changes. This is the death knell of STFs unless something changes.
My guess at this point is that Cryptic either needs to reverse the changes somewhat (because socialization is taxing and taxing play needs to be offset with reward) or they need to nerf STFs down to a point where no coordination is necessary.
Effectively, either reward people for taking the pains to make friends or allow fairly shallow friendships to avoid being taxed by challenging play.
# 228
11-14-2012, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord
In fact I have made all my friends on STO through playing STF's. STF's brought people together for a focused effort in co-ordinated team play, through it I found out who was goo dat doing missions and began enjoying spending time with those people and becoming friends with them.
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11-14-2012, 07:12 AM
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11-14-2012, 07:16 AM
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