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# 31
11-14-2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
Your point about people changing though is complete BS.
This has to be one of the most mind boggling things I've ever read. It's like somebody going outside and saying the sky is pea green on a clear, sunny day. You begin to wonder if they're having you on or if something is wrong with them...

I'm trying to think of a single product that has not been affected by how people have changed.
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# 32
11-14-2012, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by paxottoman View Post
The point of no return for Cryptic/PWE is when they announced the content for S7. They were committed to their season being that way. There was absolutely no reason to continue agitating the situation about MWO and how great it is. When you say something over and over, it's considered to be spam. People shouldn't have to scroll through threads/posts to find a relevant post to STO about whats being discussed. And when someone posts something about it not being right, they shouldn't be called a dictator lol.

The people that made these posts had no regard for the terms of service. They should of been considerate of those that stayed committed to the game, and the stated terms of service. This is a STO Forum. MWO can pack up and leave.

Waves tainted, torn but sewed together, and lightly burnt STO PvP flag with pride.
You have no idea how long we've been committed to this game and to the players no matter how grim the situation may have seemed, I'm pretty sure there are enough players, who have been here for much longer then you in the PvP world who have been silenced for long enough and finally decided they cannot stand it any longer.

You, I have never seen you in the early PvP days I think you don't know what you're talking about as a relative newcomer. Yet you talk like you'v all experienced it with us.
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# 33
11-14-2012, 03:55 PM
There is a PVP outside of STO? :shocked:
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Captain
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# 34
11-14-2012, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
This has to be one of the most mind boggling things I've ever read. It's like somebody going outside and saying the sky is pea green on a clear, sunny day. You begin to wonder if they're having you on or if something is wrong with them...

I'm trying to think of a single product that has not been affected by how people have changed.
You have missed the point it wasn't about the product... the product is irrelevant, yes product changes every day. No a 1975 turntable is not the same as a 2014 iphone 6 in pink. Yes product changes to fit the tastes of customers every day... but the reason someone wants that iphone or that turntable are exactly the same... peoples motivations are constant.

Peoples motives for purchasing product does not change a marketing text book from 1995 will not have concepts any different form the textbook from 2012... there motivation to continue to use a product or complain about it have not changed... not now or ever. That was the point I was making earlier. People don't complain unless they hit a threshold of care... people don't complain about things they don't care about... THAT WAS my point.
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Captain
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# 35
11-14-2012, 03:59 PM
Cryptic saying they care about PvP is not a lie just because they do not care about PvP as much as you do.

If I like cherry pie, it doesn't change that I like cherry pie just because I don't love cherry pie like you do.
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# 36
11-14-2012, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by marctraiderz View Post
You have no idea how long we've been committed to this game and to the players no matter how grim the situation may have seemed, I'm pretty sure there are enough players, who have been here for much longer then you in the PvP world who have been silenced for long enough and finally decided they cannot stand it any longer.

You, I have never seen you in the early PvP days I think you don't know what you're talking about as a relative newcomer. Yet you talk like you'v all experienced it with us.
Yeah, then you wonder why they won't work with you on making the game. Just look at your bitterness towards new players man.

What makes you think they should invest on a bully like you paying for a game? You think people will stick around when you go around calling them a noob? It's also a problem with people who just go around trying to push other people around because they haven't been around long enough.

Well look man, we beat you guys with the limited time we've been in this game. We deserve a little more respect than that none sense.

With respect to what's going on with PvP, it's a done deal. They're not fixing it. They're basically telling you to pack up and leave. And we just mind as well do that regardless of how long who's been here. We aren't going to measure lengths of subscriptions to compare frustrations over current problems. The same problems in this game effect us all the same way. It won't be done with you excluding others or being busy doing that. They don't give a crap about you and your lousy pride about being around so long, if anything they're glad you paid all that money and you're taking it out on someone new. Kudos to you MT. You strife with your own kind, a PvPer who wants exactly the same thing you want. Well guess what, they're not doing it for you or me.
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# 37
11-14-2012, 04:01 PM
Exactly. What makes it a lie is that what they say and what they do don't really match up. I'm glad that point could be further clarified though.
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# 38
11-14-2012, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
PWE wants our games to have the best PvP experience possible, as does Cryptic. We all want PvP to be fun and exciting.
Here's the thing:

Underneath all of the **** that's been piled on to it, there's a golden nugget at the heart of STO. The combination of 3D ship combat with MMO mechanics is immensely enjoyable and has the potential to offer a great combination of strategic and tactical depth. That's what has, until now, kept PvPers coming back to this game in spite of the terrible treatment we've had from Cryptic Studios over the past three years. Other MMOs lack the tactical depth of STO, while action games lack the strategic depth.

This time it's different. Mechwarrior is nothing like STO mechanically, but it has that same golden nugget at it's core -- the perfect mixture between strategic and tactical gameplay. Both MWO and STO have equal potential to be great PvP experiences, but the former has devs who care about nothing but PvP, the later has devs who don't give a flying poop about PvP. Is it really a surprise that PvPers from STO are now gravitating towards MWO more than any other game that came before it? We've had it with Cryptic for years, and now we finally have an appropriate surrogate game.

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You've seen Borticus in this forum talking about changes and working on balance, you've seen my interest in the Boot Camp, and there are discussions happening behind the scenes with devs who don't post on the forums.
You don't get it. Bits and scraps aren't enough now that you have a real competitor. Quite frankly, it's insulting that you think that some meager effort from a single dev and community manger might convince people to stick around. The only hope you have of getting us back is to staff up a full PvP workforce, and have them do a better job than the capable team at Piranha Games.

As far as "behind the scene devs" go, just stop talking. After all the lies and broken promises why would anyone think this latest morsel is any different? If you can't give us something concrete then you need to keep it to yourself. Part of the reason PvPers have it out so badly for Cryptic is that you keep stringing us along but you never deliver, and after three years it's very easy to see through.

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But, the actions in these forums actually make people not want to your comments and then your suggestions and feedback won't be seen.
"Play nice or we won't fix PvP"

An oldie but a goodie.

You need to realize that with MWO out the game has changed. If you ever want to see our business again you're going to have to work hard for it. Your attitude, and that of Cryptic as a whole, needs to change.
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# 39
11-14-2012, 04:05 PM
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Yeah, then you wonder why they won't work with you on making the game. Just look at your bitterness towards new players man.

What makes you think they should invest on a bully like you paying for a game? You think people will stick around when you go around calling them a noob? It's also a problem with people who just go around trying to push other people around because they haven't been around long enough.

Well look man, we beat you guys with the limited time we've been in this game. We deserve a little more respect than that none sense.

With respect to what's going on with PvP, it's a done deal. They're not fixing it. They're basically telling you to pack up and leave. And we just mind as well do that regardless of how long who's been here. We aren't going to measure lengths of subscriptions to compare frustrations over current problems. The same problems in this game effect us all the same way. It won't be done with you excluding others or being busy doing that. They don't give a crap about you and your lousy pride about being around so long, if anything they're glad you paid all that money and you're taking it out on someone new. Kudos to you MT. You strife with your own kind, a PvPer who wants exactly the same thing you want. Well guess what, they're not doing it for you or me.
The length of time in STO in this case translates to length of time fighting the PVP cause, not skill and ability. Please dont twist this remark like a true legal scretary.
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# 40
11-14-2012, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by paxottoman View Post
Yeah, then you wonder why they won't work with you on making the game. Just look at your bitterness towards new players man.

What makes you think they should invest on a bully like you paying for a game? You think people will stick around when you go around calling them a noob? It's also a problem with people who just go around trying to push other people around because they haven't been around long enough.

Well look man, we beat you guys with the limited time we've been in this game. We deserve a little more respect than that none sense.

With respect to what's going on with PvP, it's a done deal. They're not fixing it. They're basically telling you to pack up and leave. And we just mind as well do that regardless of how long who's been here. We aren't going to measure lengths of subscriptions to compare frustrations over current problems. The same problems in this game effect us all the same way. It won't be done with you excluding others or being busy doing that. They don't give a crap about you and your lousy pride about being around so long, if anything they're glad you paid all that money and you're taking it out on someone new. Kudos to you MT. You strife with your own kind, a PvPer who wants exactly the same thing you want. Well guess what, they're not doing it for you or me.
(Bitterness towards new players? Where?, My last post about real biterness was just a simple realistic view to what the game's PvP is at this current state. And I've been around much longer to judge to make an accurate summary on that)

Your wrong. There are tons of players which asked me for advice, and i happily helped them. And no I don't call everyone a noob, I only call them noobs when they have a certain mentality and playstyle and fall back to broken and overly buffed abilities/OP consoles/doffs all the time, where there are tons of people like that in this game.

But for the guys that are noob that really want to get good, I'm all supporting them and giving them all my advice i have. You just never experienced it because you never asked. Im pretty sure you couldve learned stuff from me and I was always willing to give my knowledge to everyone

Again fyi, I havent fully given up on PvP, it just got the same old boring thing. i will be back stronger then ever.

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