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# 81
11-16-2012, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by neoakiraii View Post
does not matter CBS will have the finally say on ships....not to mention legal issues.
Umm news flash: CBS has say on specific things that only have nothing to do with canon.

As for other things, last time I checked, the Roddenberry estate has the final say on things that DIRECTLY affect canon. So if that happens, the Roddenberry estate is what decides what is used and what is not.
Lt. Commander
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# 82
11-16-2012, 03:01 AM
People will say its over pirced who have a budget and non unending cash flow. People who are doing well money wise will say its no so bad. So debating that point is useless. Now I cant believe I am going to say this, because I am sure someone from pw will remove these ships from the game as obtainable via ranking.

The new ships are bought by a couple kinds of people, people who want those ships, the people who just like to collect, and the bads who think those ships give them auto win in stfs/pvp. The truth is none of the c store ships are needed say the tactical officer escorts. Those ones are only needed if your trying to do things via canon.

On the klingon side you can get the Negh'var, retorfit Vor'cha, and a sweet heavy bird of prey for end game. Your pretty much set on the Klingon side with those three ships. Never been a fan of carriers in the star trek online world, as it does not belong in the star trek world. So I do not count them.

On the Federation side the science ship is admittedly pretty ugly for end game, but the cruisers you can choose between an assault or a retrofit galaxy class starship. On the tactical end all you have is the Advanced escort, as fleet escort looks nothing like a Federation ship. My biggest gripe with the Advanced is there is no canon to support the Prometheus class using cannons.

My point is as soon as I saw the new prices for the cstore, I said I am never buying another ship again with RL money. So I stick to the ships I have, and I think it would wise if more people noticed the ships I mentioned. They may not be sleek or the coolest thing but they get the job done nicely. It wasnt until after this catastrophe of season 7 that I deiced I am never getting anything from the cstore or cryptic/pw ever again RL money wise.
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# 83
11-16-2012, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by themarie View Post
In your mind... you compare hacking a long dead game to content development for a live MMORPG?

What is this I don't even --

IT COSTS MONEY to pay people to develop a game. Are you willing to sit there and work FOR FREE for 8-10 hours a day on meshes and skins? Of course you are. After all you don't have bills to pay or food to by. How silly of me to even THINK that people need to be paid for their work.


Volunteer effort to mod dead games is totally different than live MMORP development. Totally different.
You missed my point entirely (and the context of what I was saying). I wasn't defending Cryptic's costs OR the fact that people complain the ships cost too much.

The price point they set has been the standard since F2P launched and I have no complaints, and gladly grind, pay, or both when something comes out that I am interested in. I was simply responding to somebody saying basically in all circumstances you have to pay somebody to add content to a game (they did NOT specify MMOs, nor was I referring to them in any way).
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# 84
11-16-2012, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by apocalypse2001 View Post
Umm news flash: CBS has say on specific things that only have nothing to do with canon.

As for other things, last time I checked, the Roddenberry estate has the final say on things that DIRECTLY affect canon. So if that happens, the Roddenberry estate is what decides what is used and what is not.
CBS has all say on what Cryptic can and cannot do on their IP when it comes to ships and canon...CBS owns Star Trek not the Roddenberry estate they can ask for things and CBS can say yes out of courtesy, but if they wanted to they pretty much don't have to listen what anyone from the Roddenberry estate as to say, but CBS and the Star Trek people are not that bad which is why they allow fan made movies and stuff as long as no one profits off it.

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Captain
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# 85
11-16-2012, 03:29 AM
Whoa whoa whoa...

No carriers !

Only the best ship in the game right there. The fed version is physically the largest ship of any and the kling version, which is no. 2, loads heavy cannons and you can spam your bop in and out of cloak for the awesomeness of it ! (supposedly they have a special cloack with no CD)

There are no better ships to grind in while you watch tv and having the biggest ship there is simply bawss

And if you want to nitpick the ships in regards to canon let's talk about all ships of ANY star trek series having shuttles they could launch that were NOT "non-combat pets".

Or let's talk about the tng enterprise's turn speed compared to what you see on tv
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# 86
11-16-2012, 03:35 AM
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Or let's talk about the tng enterprise's turn speed compared to what you see on tv
You know, to be honest the Galaxy has always appeared sluggish onscreen. There have been moments where she's turned quickly, but from what I recall those were usually instances where she's gone to warp in a hurry. In a lot of the battle scenes that feature Galaxy-class ships, they often wallow about like a space whale much like their STO incarnations do ('Yesterday's Enterprise', 'Sacrifice of Angels', Star Trek Generations), or they sit still ('Survivors', 'Best of Both Worlds', 'The Jem'hadar').

I'm not saying the STO Galaxy couldn't benefit from an extra degree increase in turn rate, but really being a space whale fits what I see on TV.
Captain
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# 87
11-16-2012, 03:52 AM
I was joking when I brought up canon vs ships.

But if you are into the whole thing explain where all the shuttles went.

Ultimately you like the ship or you don't minus of course cruisers that really do just plain suck

When I fly out and do 300+ stf's I am going to worry a lot more about having fun than if it fits what some writer came out with randomly 30 years ago...
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# 88
11-16-2012, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by stofsk View Post
You know, to be honest the Galaxy has always appeared sluggish onscreen. There have been moments where she's turned quickly, but from what I recall those were usually instances where she's gone to warp in a hurry. In a lot of the battle scenes that feature Galaxy-class ships, they often wallow about like a space whale much like their STO incarnations do ('Yesterday's Enterprise', 'Sacrifice of Angels', Star Trek Generations), or they sit still ('Survivors', 'Best of Both Worlds', 'The Jem'hadar').

I'm not saying the STO Galaxy couldn't benefit from an extra degree increase in turn rate, but really being a space whale fits what I see on TV.
Agreed - the Galaxy-class' wallowing was never more evident than in the DS9 episode 'The Jem' Hadar', where the USS Odyssey (Galaxy Class, NCC-71832) was destroyed attempting to retreat.

STAR TREK BATTLES - HIGH DPS PLAYERS NEED NOT APPY
Captain
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# 89
11-16-2012, 03:56 AM
Well if we are going down that alley

What about ship mines

Or probes
Career Officer
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# 90
11-16-2012, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by neoakiraii View Post
CBS has all say on what Cryptic can and cannot do on their IP when it comes to ships and canon...CBS owns Star Trek not the Roddenberry estate they can ask for things and CBS can say yes out of courtesy, but if they wanted to they pretty much don't have to listen what anyone from the Roddenberry estate as to say, but CBS and the Star Trek people are not that bad which is why they allow fan made movies and stuff as long as no one profits off it.
yeah their IP. When Majel was still alive SHE was responsible for what was being created in the new series' on television. She NEVER asked CBS for anything, least of all permission.
Anyway, this is pointless.
My original point was that they should get input from the gamers (especially ones who pay) to make their job easier, instead of wasting their time with bare bones, plain, star-ships like the Vesta.
And no, not many people asked for it, it was only a select few. Most of the players DIDN'T want that ship.
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