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# 11
11-24-2012, 10:08 AM
i can see it as a cruiser or a science vessel the escort pilots have enough over powered toys as it is
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# 12
11-24-2012, 10:31 AM
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i can see it as a cruiser or a science vessel the escort pilots have enough over powered toys as it is
How can it possibly be a science vessel given everything we've seen of the Andorians on-screen?
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# 13
11-24-2012, 10:31 AM
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i can see it as a cruiser or a science vessel the escort pilots have enough over powered toys as it is
Oh really?

I'd say that the Vesta class more than fills the need for a new science vessel, since it just came out. Plus, we've already got a ton of cruisers in the game.

Admittedly, the Steamrunner is a new escort toy, but it's very tanky. The Chimera... is for 1000-day subscribers and lifetime members, which I think should be disregarded here given the very high barrier to access.

Frankly, this game could do with fewer cruisers, although with the Ambassador (supposedly) coming soon, they've probably still got theirs.

Escort pilots could really use a nice, focused escort that's more in line with the Defiant than some hybrid.
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# 14
11-24-2012, 10:57 AM
The Andorian ship should NOT be the broadsider ship. Nothing about the Andorian ships or style would indicate that they're broadsiders. If anything, Andorians would be in favor of forward-centric attack ships like escorts.

However, Star Trek is full of possibilities. An alternative home for a broadside ship would not be ideal for Andorians, but it could be ideal for Tellarites (you know, the other founding race of the Federation). And right there is a new opportunity. We've not seen much in the way of Tellarite ships aside from the odd freighter, and this would give the STO artists a chance to create a whole new Tellarite "style" of ships.

And for KDF, while the Orions already have a some ships of their own, broadsiding mechanics may work better with their "pirate galleon" style ships that they already have.

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# 15
11-24-2012, 01:29 PM
Too many whale-cruisers? Then don't make whale-cruisers. The Federation basically only has access to 2 real battlecruisers and neither of them are actually Federation ships (D'kora, Galor). Excelsior and Regent try hard, but there's a big functional difference between 8 deg/sec and 10 deg/sec.

Really we have too many escorts. You just got the temporal destroyers, the thousand-day ship, and Steamrunner. Even the Vesta is pretty zippy and can be kitted out as a tactical boat if you're so inclined. It's time for a Federation battlecruiser with strong hull and shields, 10 deg/sec turn rate, commander engineering, and dual cannons. Special item: a 360-degree beam weapon that reacts to Cannon tactical abilities like Rapid-Fire.

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# 16
11-24-2012, 02:12 PM
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Too many whale-cruisers? Then don't make whale-cruisers. The Federation basically only has access to 2 real battlecruisers and neither of them are actually Federation ships (D'kora, Galor). Excelsior and Regent try hard, but there's a big functional difference between 8 deg/sec and 10 deg/sec.

Really we have too many escorts. You just got the temporal destroyers and the thousand-day ship. Even the Vesta is pretty zippy and can be kitted out as a tactical boat if you're so inclined. It's time for a Federation battlecruiser with strong hull and shields, 10 deg/sec turn rate, commander engineering, and dual cannons. Special item: a 360-degree beam weapon that reacts to Cannon tactical abilities like Rapid-Fire.
Either that or sideward facing weapon mounts, so the Kumari can fire 8 beams at anything in front of it.
This would fall in line with everything I read about the ship. Mounting as many weapons as the warpcore can support (actually pushing the limit quite a bit).
This would make it unique and wouldn't step that much on the KDF's toes. Although KDF are already used to this...

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# 17
11-24-2012, 02:43 PM
IMHO, the Regent is pretty much the broadside Cruiser that people asked for. All 6-8 Beams plus the 180 Torpedo.

Now I hear the Andorian ship will be an escort. Now what kind of Escort, who knows. With the recent release of the Steamrunner, I wouldn't be surprised if it had a similar layout, but with 2 LT Science.
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# 18
11-24-2012, 03:53 PM
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IMHO, the Regent is pretty much the broadside Cruiser that people asked for. All 6-8 Beams plus the 180 Torpedo.
Arrays have an arc of 250 degrees. This means that they project past the ship's beam line by a total of 250-180=70 degrees, or, 35 degrees per side. The 180 torpedo doesn't project past the beam line at all. Meaning: For the Regent, the broadside where both the single torpedo launcher and the beam broadside overlap is only 35 degrees. Oh, and you can only use that 1 single (slightly crippled) launcher and beam arrays, which are horrendously inefficient with power.

What people want is a cruiser that has proper full featured weapon mounts turned 90 degrees. Being able to circle a target and broadside with torpedoes, dual beams, maybe even dual cannons while at flank speed, is a radically different tactical approach than any existing cruiser can provide.
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# 19
11-24-2012, 04:05 PM
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Really we have too many escorts. You just got the temporal destroyers, the thousand-day ship, and Steamrunner. Even the Vesta is pretty zippy and can be kitted out as a tactical boat if you're so inclined. It's time for a Federation battlecruiser with strong hull and shields, 10 deg/sec turn rate, commander engineering, and dual cannons. Special item: a 360-degree beam weapon that reacts to Cannon tactical abilities like Rapid-Fire.
What I would like to see, if they decided to make a dedicated battlecruiser, is one that adds bonus damage to Turret weapons that brings their damage in line with beam arrays. It would be a meaty craft with a lot of weapon hardpoints, so Cannon: Rapid Fire would fill the space between the ship and the enemy with turret fire.

It could come with two scaling kinetic heavy cannons that have firing arcs on the sides rather than in front. They would fire like Dual Heavies, but do kinetic damage like torpedoes, so you whittle the enemy down with your turret fire and then hit the cannons to pound their hull.

Failing that, I'd like to see an escort that behaves similarly to the Defiant-R: sleek appearance, fast engines, high turn rate. Perhaps it would have a console power or an innate power that boosts engine power for a set amount of time, allowing you to be both extra-maneuverable, and gives a bonus to defense so you're harder to hit.
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# 20
11-24-2012, 10:03 PM
I think at this point they have probably have finalized their plans for the Andorian Ship.

Its interesting that according to the Ask Cryptic it will be a modern andorian starship, which in a previous interview had been hinted that there would be a larger modern andorian starship that would be a destroyer, then they would also release the ENT andorian ship at some point which would probably be a traditional escort.

I do like the idea of it being a broadsider, it will be interesting what sort of console it will come with.
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