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Federation C-store ships
Lieutenant: Constitution Cruiser, Light Escort, Light Science Vessel, Delta Flyer, Yellowstone Runabout, Peragrine Attack Fighter, Stalker Stealth Fighter (7).
Lieutenant Commander: Science Vessel Refit, Cruiser Refit, Escort Refit (3)
Commander: Advanced Heavy Cruiser, Advanced Research Vessel, Heavy Escort Refit (3).
Captain: Exploration Cruiser Refit, tactical Escort Refit, Long Range Science Vessel Refit (3).
Rear Admiral: Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit, Vulcan D?kyr Science Vessel, Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (3).
Vice Admiral: Exploration Cruiser Retrofit, Dreadnaught Cruiser, Odyssey Operations Cruiser, Odyssey Tactical Cruiser, Odyssey Science Cruiser, Tactical Escort Retrofit, Multi Vector Advanced Escort, Heavy Escort Carrier, Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit, Catian Atrox Carrier, Assault Cruiser Retrofit, Multi Mission Strategic Explorer, Multi Mission Surveillance Explorer, Multi Mission Recon Explorer (14).


Klingon C-store ships
Commander: To?duj fighter (Lt ship), Ning?tao Bird of Prey, Soqub Raptor, Koro?t?inga Battle Cruiser, Phalanx Science Vessel, Daciot Flight Deck Cruiser, Vandal Destroyer (7).
Captain: Vor?kang Battle Cruiser, Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser, Ch?tang Bird of Prey, Puy?jaq Raptor, Scourge Destroyer, Dragus Support Vessel (6).
Brigadier General: Vor?cha Retrofit, Varnius Fleet Support Vessel, Marauder Flight Deck Cruiser (3).
Lieutenant General: Garaumba Siege Destroyer, B?rel Bord of Prey, Kar?fi Battle Carrier, Bortasqu War Cruiser, Bortasqu Command Cruiser, Bortasqu Tactical Cruiser (6).

So Federation have 25 ships that are usable from Commander to Vice Admiral? 14 of which are Vice Admiral ships.

KDF on the other hand only get 19 ships that are usable from Commander to Lieutenant General, and only 6 are Lieutenant General ships. That is 6 less ships total from level 20 to 50, and 8 fewer level 50 ships.

It is obvious that the KDF has been thrown under the bus here.
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# 2
11-19-2012, 07:46 AM
Old news

One of the reasons being that the Feds are the majority of the playerbase, and thus the most paying customers.
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# 3
11-19-2012, 07:49 AM
Heaven forbid they actually have A klingon faction that's got all the same amount of items/ships/unique mission as the fed. people might actually play klingon side more...
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# 4
11-19-2012, 08:12 AM
DO note that the KDF doesn't have alot of shipos in cannon so Fed will always have an edge.
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# 5
11-19-2012, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by admiralq1732 View Post
DO note that the KDF doesn't have alot of shipos in cannon so Fed will always have an edge.
Granted, but you might want to take a moment to note that from level 20 to level 50 only 1 of the Cryptic Store Fed ships are seen on screen the way they look in game... so what can't the KDF have varients?
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# 6
11-19-2012, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ericandrewross View Post
Granted, but you might want to take a moment to note that from level 20 to level 50 only 1 of the Cryptic Store Fed ships are seen on screen the way they look in game... so what can't the KDF have varients?
do to this, they will have to come up with new designs or get permissions from other comapinies or people to use theirs designs. the main problems with KDF right now is the fed 25 requirement and the no zen discount on fleet ships. thus no insentive to be KDF.
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# 7
11-19-2012, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ericandrewross View Post
Granted, but you might want to take a moment to note that from level 20 to level 50 only 1 of the Cryptic Store Fed ships are seen on screen the way they look in game... so what can't the KDF have varients?
Well, let's consider:

Consider the effort needed to make KDF ship variants, even if just one. First need to design it (which is a whole other subset right there), then model it, then make sure it works with everything else in-game, such as item sets.

And when you've done all that, they're at a loss of money (for using their equipment) and time (which could have been done on something else). If they gave it to us for free, it's a pure loss. If they charged us for it, there'd be balance on that end...

And there's also the discussion over what might be a more efficient use of their time and money.

This, and much more behind-the-scenes stuff, dictates priority. For the Feds - who are much of their paying customers - most of that spent time/money is worth it because of returns. For KDF, it's much tougher, because of supposed lack of players/payers...

At least, that's how I understand it. A few details may be off
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# 8
11-19-2012, 09:19 AM
Open up KDF as a level one playable faction, NO fed play through first.

That is the first thing that needs to be done before anything else. Then maybe we could get the numbers up.
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# 9
11-19-2012, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by admiralq1732 View Post
DO note that the KDF doesn't have alot of shipos in cannon so Fed will always have an edge.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericandrewross View Post
Granted, but you might want to take a moment to note that from level 20 to level 50 only 1 of the Cryptic Store Fed ships are seen on screen the way they look in game... so what can't the KDF have varients?
The excuse that FED have more cannon ships that KDF is bull.

Have you seen half of the FED ship designs? They're far from cannon. You've got... Miranda, Centaur, NX, Constitution (plus Refit), Oberth, Sabre, Steamrunner, Akira, Defiant, Excelsior (Plus Refit), Intrepid, Galaxy, Nebula, Sovereign, Nova, Olympic and Prometheus. They're the only cannon ships in the game.

That's 19 out of about 70 designs. That ain't counting shuttles of specials (Vulcan D'kyr). I might have missed a couple. The Klingon Empire on the other hand has only 6/7 cannon designs, with about 25 different ship designs (this is excluding the Nausicaan, Gorn, Orion ect, to which there are three ships each). That's roughly 35 KDF ships, and 70 FED ones.

Guess which faction gets the special treatment?
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# 10
11-19-2012, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by admiralq1732 View Post
DO note that the KDF doesn't have alot of shipos in cannon so Fed will always have an edge.
Actually cryptic doesn't have to jump through as many hoops to get original KDF designs approved by CBS, so they should arguably be easier to make ships for.

It's all about money. Unfortunately it's a viscous cycle, Klingons are low population and don't spend enough money to justify content, and Klingon populations don't grow because of a fed content bias. Cryptic needs to just bite the bullet and show some integrity towards their Klingon player base, but that's quite a long shot these days.

Last edited by xantris; 11-19-2012 at 09:32 AM.
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