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# 41
11-30-2012, 06:36 PM
It wasn't terribly fun for a lot of us who do PvP, dude. (Well, me excepted, I could spend all day sending VM Defiants back to respawn)

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# 42
11-30-2012, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by trhrangerxml View Post
EDIT: This thing keeps quoting the wrong posts.

Wow, someone is a little angry. And yes, I figured out how to use it, but I don't PvP, only PvE. Only followed this thread because I found it on Dev tracker. It was fun, the devs gave their blessings to play with it while we had it so of course I was going to use it. How often do you get the Devs blessings to use an exploit on a live server.
Grats on figuring out how to cheat ...

How fun do you think it'd be if the Jem shield broke again and you were lagged out b/c someone chose to use it?

I get messing around for lolz and all, but they denied and still deny it was an exploit.
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# 43
11-30-2012, 06:46 PM
Srsly, this is a game! A game. Enjoy some sun, get some fresh air. You don't see them spamming my name around here that I'm exploiting left and right. It was fun having a power on a ship it wasn't intended for, they said since there were a bunch of people using it without knowing it was an exploit so there was nothing they could do. Rewards for STF were still nerfed, I don't PvP, its a game.
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
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# 44
11-30-2012, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by trhrangerxml View Post
Srsly, this is a game! A game. Enjoy some sun, get some fresh air. You don't see them spamming my name around here that I'm exploiting left and right. It was fun having a power on a ship it wasn't intended for, they said since there were a bunch of people using it without knowing it was an exploit so there was nothing they could do. Rewards for STF were still nerfed, I don't PvP, its a game.
Yeah, they lied when they said people were using it w/o knowing it. You need to brain dead to know you shouldn't have multiple commander boff abilities and it takes the action of using the boff ability on the players part. Don't let them fool you, they're too cheap to have enforce their enforcement policy. That is the only reason to allow the crap that they have allowed and condone it.
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# 45
11-30-2012, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by trhrangerxml View Post
Srsly, this is a game! A game. Enjoy some sun, get some fresh air. You don't see them spamming my name around here that I'm exploiting left and right. It was fun having a power on a ship it wasn't intended for, they said since there were a bunch of people using it without knowing it was an exploit so there was nothing they could do. Rewards for STF were still nerfed, I don't PvP, its a game.
NPCs don't mind being cheated. As long as it isn't used against players, or in competitive PvE (fleet actions, for example), I can't really hate on the guy.
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# 46
11-30-2012, 07:26 PM
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NPCs don't mind being cheated. As long as it isn't used against players, or in competitive PvE (fleet actions, for example), I can't really hate on the guy.
While I don't care about the Dilithium and other markets myself, that is also something people compete over and someone who exploits in PvE even would have an unfair advantage there. Besides, it's still the idea of people are cheating and Cryptic won't acknowledge that its is, much less enforce it.
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# 47
12-01-2012, 02:40 AM
I always thought of a bug as a coding error. Some phenomenae that was never intended. It could be something benign as a graphical glitch. Something annoying as a broken mission that cannot be completed. It can also be gamebreaking and potentially reproduceable under certain conditions, bypassing the perameters of the normal mechanics that might give a player an unfair advantage.

An exploit, imo, is when something in the game that is working as intended but has an unintentional adverse effect when stacked or combined with other abilities and items, resulting in an unforseen performance well above and beyond than they should, giving the player a knowingly unfair advantage with no drawbacks or counters.
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# 48
12-01-2012, 03:35 AM
yes, thank you for doing your job.

although, if i may point out... if proper testing was considered before this was pushed live it would have been fixed on the "test server". i mean it is called the test server for a reason right?

right?

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i look forward to the next voldemort bug with season 8.
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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# 49
12-01-2012, 08:03 AM
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I always thought of a bug as a coding error. Some phenomenae that was never intended. It could be something benign as a graphical glitch. Something annoying as a broken mission that cannot be completed. It can also be gamebreaking and potentially reproduceable under certain conditions, bypassing the perameters of the normal mechanics that might give a player an unfair advantage.

An exploit, imo, is when something in the game that is working as intended but has an unintentional adverse effect when stacked or combined with other abilities and items, resulting in an unforseen performance well above and beyond than they should, giving the player a knowingly unfair advantage with no drawbacks or counters.
So, by your definition, using tric mines with DPB is an exploit? The argument that tric mines have a counter does not apply since your definition is "no drawbacks or counters" to the COMBO of using dispersal pattern and tric's.

Edit: I suppose you could say that snb or snb doff proc could strip the DPB buff off before you lay out the mines, but that's a pretty weak argument. It's no better of an argument than you could use snb against someone who has multiple commander Boff slots, therefore voldie can be countered

By your definition, if a player taking advantage of a bug that creates a grossly OP mechanic isn't "exploiting", exactly what DO you call it?

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# 50
12-01-2012, 08:17 AM
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While I don't care about the Dilithium and other markets myself, that is also something people compete over and someone who exploits in PvE even would have an unfair advantage there. Besides, it's still the idea of people are cheating and Cryptic won't acknowledge that its is, much less enforce it.
This is the thing that I complained about early on - it wasn't just a PvP issue. It wasn't just an "okay, enjoy it" harmless thing. Whether it was Dil (thus Zen) or EC... whether it was gear... etc, etc, etc - it was a major bug that affected anybody that played the game outside of those that never play with others, don't farm Dil, never buy nor sell anything on the exchange, etc, etc, etc.

It was mind boggling to read that enjoy it statement - even if it was somewhat jokingly said - it was mind boggling.
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