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# 21
12-03-2012, 08:52 AM
I have zero points in Threat and still end up with all the aggro in STFs. If you can't do any damage worth noting all the threat control in the world won't help you. The good thing is I am expecting to puoll aggro and eventually get roasted and exploded so I bring components on every run.
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# 22
12-03-2012, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by glassguitar View Post
I have zero points in Threat and still end up with all the aggro in STFs. If you can't do any damage worth noting all the threat control in the world won't help you. The good thing is I am expecting to puoll aggro and eventually get roasted and exploded so I bring components on every run.
I drive a BoP (Fleet Norgh) running MkXII Polarons with the (Acc) and (DmgX2), 3 MKXI tac consoles and the Borg 3Pc set+assimilated console, on a Tactical, and nine out of ten runs in CSE or KASE I become the #1 target of the Borg, and it's ALL a matter of DPS. I have zero threat control, with speccing instead into the Stealth skill.

9 out of 10 runs. that includes runs where I'm on the field with Federation Escorts who carry more tac consoles and weapons emplacements than I do.

That tenth run? is usually when I'm on a mostly-to-all KDF team, or got pugged with four people from the same fleet who know what they're doing.

HOW is it that I get ALL this attention, you may ask (or not, I'm going to tell you anyway...)

it's callled setup, it's called setting your weapons power to 125, running high-DPS weapons (DHC's backed by turrets with 1 "Spike" whether that's a DBB running BO3 or a torpedo rack firing HYT quantums) and running CRF 1, 2, and sometimes 3 in concert with APA,APB, and APO for the debuff/damage boost with DEM2 occasionally tossed in for larfs.

I've had Borg assimilated Negh'vars chase me across a map before after hitting them, I've had Raptors break off to intercept ME before.

in a BoP. Imagine what a well-set-up FedScort with actual PURPLE consoles can achieve in terms of drawing the aggro...

what I see is thus: Threat Control doesn't boost your aggro draw nearly enough compared to good ole' damage-dealing, but one of the BEST ways to DRAW DOWN THE DAMAGE, is to boost your weapons power to a high baseline BEFORE you start tossing batteries and EWP Boff Slots on top of that.

if you wanna tank, you GOTTA get their attention first.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."
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# 23
12-03-2012, 05:09 PM
Why do I tank in my escorts in STFs? Depends on the ship/cap I'm on at the time but typically

1) I know I can tank and not explode against the target
2) I know my target will explode before I do
3) I know the damage output that I will bring before I explode is more important than me not exploding
4) I know I can tank long enough to deal my spike then Evasive my way to 11km and wait five minutes for the so called 'tank' to regain agro

Those are my typical reasons. Anyway the concept of a 'space whale tank' annoys me on a principle level.
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# 24
12-03-2012, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sollvax View Post
Best Team I usually work with has one escort (U.S.S. Interceptor) whose primary role is back stop (short stop in baseball) if something gets past the rest of he picks it off

We have three Cruisers doing the Donkey work and a Carrier as our Central command vessel providing sci cover and giving the orders (if he is unavailable we have a guy who fills in with an Intrepid class )

point is we don't have tanks or healers or glass cannons
we do however have a 96% success rate

Some teams are Dps . Healer tank combos and those can work

One team I know of and have filled in for a missing member of relys on the X formation
variation of the so called fed ball
They have NO escorts but rely on mutual healing effects and a shed load of consumable assets
Best STF teams I have ever found are 4 DPS heavy weights be them escorts, raptors, BoPs, BCs, or even a dread paired up with a single good carrier capt.

Never seen stuff die so freaking fast. Tank? Healer? Who needs 'em when the waves of spawns die before my first copy of tac team wears off
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# 25
12-06-2012, 10:43 AM
Point being, very few "Escort" (Or BoP) captains "Love" to tank-it's just that when properly set up and used, you usually have no choice about it-you WILL draw Aggro. Even when you are otherwise set up to AVOID NOTICE.

i.e. Stealthing, INSTEAD of Threat Control-but your weps power is high, so you're going to be the belle of the ball if everyone else is sitting on 'stock' power settings, or hasn't followed basic setup principles (aka rainboats/skittleboats).
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."
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# 26
12-06-2012, 10:46 AM
Earlier today I watched a Bird of prey take the full fire of three Tholian ships for over a minute

So if you are out there Commander Korran of the IKS Kestrel
Bloody well done sir
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# 27
12-06-2012, 10:59 AM
I just want to add that I LOVE my spike damage from Beam Overload III on my Dual Antiproton Beam Bank. No, it's not the most efficient source of sustained DPS, but once in awhile I get a beautiful kill with it. Brings a tear to me eye.
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# 28 My two cents
12-08-2012, 01:01 AM
What I've noticed is that a lot of regular escort captains tend to be A-type personalities. They get fixated on their methods. Unfortunately, STO's combat mechanics favor adaptability and quickly changing tactics. These A-type personalities form a rigid plan. It is no surprise the amount of frustration seen by these players. Although fixed roles like healer, tank and attacker may be a staple of other MMO's, this is really an unfavorable strategy in STO. The only way it sees any reliable degree of success is with a previously organized group of players and a previously determined mission... and to be honest, it is not the most reliable strategy.

What if I told you the damage potential of the majority of ships are pretty balanced (be they science vessel, escort or cruiser)? This is due to the needs of pvp balancing. It's all in how you play the ship, and if you are blowing up, you're doing it wrong. Words can not describe how entertaining it can be to bring this realization to escort captains using the least likely of vessels.
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# 29
12-08-2012, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by redfriar View Post
What I've noticed is that a lot of regular escort captains tend to be A-type personalities. They get fixated on their methods. Unfortunately, STO's combat mechanics favor adaptability and quickly changing tactics. These A-type personalities form a rigid plan. It is no surprise the amount of frustration seen by these players. Although fixed roles like healer, tank and attacker may be a staple of other MMO's, this is really an unfavorable strategy in STO. The only way it sees any reliable degree of success is with a previously organized group of players and a previously determined mission... and to be honest, it is not the most reliable strategy.

What if I told you the damage potential of the majority of ships are pretty balanced (be they science vessel, escort or cruiser)? This is due to the needs of pvp balancing. It's all in how you play the ship, and if you are blowing up, you're doing it wrong. Words can not describe how entertaining it can be to bring this realization to escort captains using the least likely of vessels.
One minor disagreement with your post, in the majority of situations where the escort is allowed to 'keep on target' so to speak which is most of the time in an STF it will out damage the cruiser and sci vessel by around 20+% all else being equal.

However, if you do believe me to be wrong and can back it up with a standard cruiser build I'd love to give it a try and see for myself.
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# 30
12-08-2012, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax View Post
Earlier today I watched a Bird of prey take the full fire of three Tholian ships for over a minute

So if you are out there Commander Korran of the IKS Kestrel
Bloody well done sir
bloody average...in no scenario the tholians have very strong ships, any escort could tank 3 of their dreadnoughts + some other smaller ones, if they actually survived the first scatter volley alpha strike (they normaly don't)
but i can see how a casual player can get impressed so easily by stunts like that.
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