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# 41
12-01-2012, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by devorasx View Post
Im curios. How does one justify this kind of damage from DHC using CRF2:

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X player deals 17333 (8152) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to you with Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons - Rapid Fire II.
X player deals 18045 (8486) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to you with Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons - Rapid Fire II.

I had the beta debuff on me and maybe a sensor scan, and the escort was probaly buffed to kingdom comes, but how the blazing heck does one sanction such ridiculous numbers? It makes Thissler look like an amateur in comparison, no offense bud. I got 2 shooted with 2 shot from cannons. 2!!

I on the other hand was buffed with Extend Shields 1, TSS3 on full aux from a cruiser and an EPTS 2 from myself.

I would love a VERY good argument.
I think you would produce the best argument if you finally stopped using that same old same one character you have, and finally leveled up a tactical escort and saw the challenges you face when getting those critical hits on people. Level another toon, having one toon for 3 years has seriously impaired your judgement on game mechanics.

Otherwise, people can provide any argument they can, but it will make no difference until you finally put yourself in their shoes.

This thread about cannons almost negating them to be deemed as "OP" is a joke. Talk about tric mines instead. Prompt a response by the Devs on getting those fixed.

I'm not spec'd into them and I do more damage with 1 console than my 4 console powered DHCs against NPCs.

To entertain you post however, those numbers actually look normal. Running CrtH, the new romulan console, borg console, tachyokinetic, and being spec'd heavily into energy weapon specialization will make these kinds of critical hits possible (if not higher). The fact it happened is normal, and is really no surprise.

You're flying a Vesta. I fly a Vesta as well. 38k hull is as frail as it gets. So as far as rationalizing how quickly you went down, it really does come down to your own awareness of a buffed up target. If he's buffed, get out of his arc. Make sure you have a tac team up, resists or no resists, you're going down with no shield distribution from a TT.

I solo one shot Trinity in his Engineer Caitian carrier yesterday with my quantum focus phaser. Pointi is, from 1 Vesta captain to another. you got bug guns too.

Last edited by paxottoman; 12-01-2012 at 11:01 AM.
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# 42
12-01-2012, 11:24 AM
@pax:

First, what are bug guns?

And to the response.

To be honest im not interested in wether cannons are OP or not, im interested on what justifies such damage, and how often it can be reproduced. Then the follow up offcourse is if this damage output is balanced enough. Sure it can be, and sure it can be not.
Now if im narrowed down to only being able of seeing the game from a science PoV is up for a debate, but to be honest that point is moot. Im posing a question as to how the game is developing from STO to Escort Online. But as Stevehale said, careful planning needs to be considered, and im rather curios on the crtd modifiers. Are they as they should be or not....
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# 43
12-01-2012, 12:01 PM
ive hit 16k more than a few times. actually it happens a few times a month. i hit 12k crits daily.

dual heavy cannons, phased tetryon. ACCx2

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Last edited by thishorizon; 12-01-2012 at 12:03 PM.
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# 44
12-01-2012, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by devorasx View Post
@pax:

First, what are bug guns?

And to the response.

To be honest im not interested in wether cannons are OP or not, im interested on what justifies such damage, and how often it can be reproduced. Then the follow up offcourse is if this damage output is balanced enough. Sure it can be, and sure it can be not.
Now if im narrowed down to only being able of seeing the game from a science PoV is up for a debate, but to be honest that point is moot. Im posing a question as to how the game is developing from STO to Escort Online. But as Stevehale said, careful planning needs to be considered, and im rather curios on the crtd modifiers. Are they as they should be or not....
Well, ultimately it's hard to say without seeing the logs. (And even then they don't really tell the important parts of the story)

It's quite possible to hit ~18k raw, there are just a lot of factors that go into how it comes out in the end in STO. I mean you can crit for upwards of 60k+ with a DBB, and their base damage is like, what, 250? 300? So there are a lot of crazy multipliers and stuff.

Generally speaking if you keep moving at full impulse and have one or two basic resists up it won't happen, but there are those moments when the stars align...

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# 45
12-01-2012, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by paxottoman View Post
You're flying a Vesta. I fly a Vesta as well. 38k hull is as frail as it gets. So as far as rationalizing how quickly you went down, it really does come down to your own awareness of a buffed up target. If he's buffed, get out of his arc. Make sure you have a tac team up, resists or no resists, you're going down with no shield distribution from a TT.

I solo one shot Trinity in his Engineer Caitian carrier yesterday with my quantum focus phaser. Pointi is, from 1 Vesta captain to another. you got bug guns too.
^^^

All of this is wisdom even to non-Devoras readers

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# 46
12-01-2012, 01:40 PM
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I solo one shot Trinity in his Engineer Caitian carrier yesterday with my quantum focus phaser. Pointi is, from 1 Vesta captain to another. you got bug guns too.
How in the world are you getting your QFP up that high? Mine's only ~8k, spread over 15 seconds or whatever. Granted, I'm a Sci and I'm not using any Particle Gens, but still.
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# 47
12-01-2012, 02:23 PM
best way to get those numbers is be specced for it and find new and interesting ways to immobilize your intended target while stripping his (or her) buffs... and just drop the hammer on them.... as a fellow vesta captain we have bfg's on the Vesta now
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# 48
12-01-2012, 05:20 PM
Point: 39k hull is not as frail as it gets.

Fly a BoP as see how frail they can be hullwise. If a good player can keep a BoP alive woth its low hull, 39k should be even easier.
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# 49 Pax
12-01-2012, 06:00 PM
@Pax whats wrong? You can't handle the truth about cannons doing 18k+. Just admit that it is op.

1. Shock
2. Denial
3. Anger
4. Sadness/Depression
5. Numb
6. Acceptance

Come on buddy!!! you can make it to that 6th step!!!

ps. At least you can counter trics.
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# 50
12-01-2012, 07:13 PM
Full buffed i have seen my DHCs crit for over 14k, and my quantums for over 30k. Seems the ratio dhc/quantum is fine to me. Now if that is to much damage is a whole different can.

-= ISE: 12:19 -=- CSE 12:41 -=- KASE 11:59 -=- HSe 8:06 total =-
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[7:07] [Combat (Self)] Your Dual Disruptor Banks - Overload II deals 123086 (41096) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Assimilated Carrier.
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