Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 81
12-04-2012, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by grindsmygears1 View Post
To be fair,in the life of this game, it has been unbalanced 10 times the amount of time it actually has been balanced (some would even argue that it's never been balanced) so I guess the term "balanced" is relative to the users perception.

The devs know damn well that the consoles create unbalance. It's already been pointed out in this thread that they admitted to making them OP to sell them. Not sure how pointing out they're OP to the people that came right out and said they're OP is going to change much. Best case scenario is they will nerf them, and then tsi will take credit and continue to use them. Either way, you guys are going to use them from here on out. It's just easier to stand on a pedestal and say "we're doing this for the pvp community" while making everyone you come across completely miserable.

Gentlemans agreement, treaties, accords...call it what you will, they never work. In the end, the amount of cheese you bring to the table is just a sign of your character. Please don't try to dress it up for more than it is. This community is to smart to be fooled that easily.
Fyi, I'm not in TSI. Speaking for myself regarding consoles, generally I fight kind with kind.

For the most part I agree w/your 1st paragraph. I just have a pet peeve w/people who claim things were balanced when they were not.
Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 363
# 82
12-04-2012, 11:15 AM
Devoras, what have you done?!

Look everyone, the dude apologized for all this none sense. Let's all move on and just forget it ever happened. Really not going anywhere with this, we all know the history of stuff that happened and we all have our opinions about it. This thread is as public it can get when it comes to TSI's history. Let's just leave it at that and say some stuff was said that should not of been said, but it's all the same and water under the bridge at this point.

For those that say "we're all here to have fun etc"

Well, we are. But there's merited truth to the part where there is no fun in constantly respawning because you got blown up by trics as soon as you got back into the action. There is no fun in the use of tric mines and let's all agree on that and move on.

I ultimately blame the Devs for not looking into my thread about the tric mines. I knew this would happen amongst players and amount to this frustration. Perhaps the discussion should move over there on a more sober note? Where we can discuss balancing suggestions to it?
Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 64
# 83
12-04-2012, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by p2wsucks View Post

8. 1-7 Drives Players From Pvp Resulting Cryptic Mgt Having A Pretext To Not Invest In Pvp.
This ^^^^^
Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 64
# 84
12-04-2012, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by paxottoman View Post
Devoras, what have you done?!

Look everyone, the dude apologized for all this none sense. Let's all move on and just forget it ever happened. Really not going anywhere with this, we all know the history of stuff that happened and we all have our opinions about it. This thread is as public it can get when it comes to TSI's history. Let's just leave it at that and say some stuff was said that should not of been said, but it's all the same and water under the bridge at this point.

For those that say "we're all here to have fun etc"

Well, we are. But there's merited truth to the part where there is no fun in constantly respawning because you got blown up by trics as soon as you got back into the action. There is no fun in the use of tric mines and let's all agree on that and move on.

I ultimately blame the Devs for not looking into my thread about the tric mines. I knew this would happen amongst players and amount to this frustration. Perhaps the discussion should move over there on a more sober note? Where we can discuss balancing suggestions to it?
First off, as you can see in devoras' apology thread, I did my best to encourage him to move forward and complimented him on his humbleness. This "debate" has moved past having anything to do with devoras

I'm now once again arguing with tsi's policy of "let's make everyone miserable again for the next six months to try to get the devs attention" approach to get things changed. I'm not even really "debating" about DPB at this point of the conversation.

Blaming the devs is like stating water is wet. This whole conversation is the devs fault for not doing anything with the balance of their game.
Empire Veteran
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# 85
12-04-2012, 12:49 PM
[quote]
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post

the problem there is that the world knows how deadly nukes are, so if a country is threating to nuke the world because theyre not listened too, they will get listened too.

and they can also get a very expensive surprise visit from flash drive with code to halt a Nuclear program, possible "liquidation" of key figures, having researchers stolen and in the worst case scenario the big boot heel of worldwide "No, we do not trust you with toys" visit.

But thats worse case scenario. Usually money changes hands, somebodies relatives and familiy get a free ride to the states and become the new owner of a Hoiday Inn Express so that Flash drive makes it to a terminal.

The real thing to fear is the Orbital EMP generators. Nukes are fun and falshy but nothing says "Your screwed" lack a nationwide power outtage right before your invaded.

just saying......
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goodbye good friend. We will see you in the DMZ in the sky oneday, save a shot for us.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 14
# 86
12-04-2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
we've never really used FAW. era ran it a bit a while back i think and zorena toyed with it on an escort to show the dev's how broken it was.

torp spread incidents? i recall myself using it almost all the time but then, ive always used torp spread on my science builds. same with scramble sensors. i've always used it too.
I'm not talking about the normal FAW OPness like a year ago. I'm talking about the broken DBB FAW and the broken Torp Spread that let you kill people with full shields on Sci ships. Im talking about the incident Kharn was refering to.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 328
# 87
12-04-2012, 04:50 PM
Its like 2010 all over again.
First of all, I'm really glad to see some veterans lurking into STO forums. They remind me of time when i actually enjoyed playing this game. Everything else doesn't matter.
[10:49] [Combat (Self)] Your Proton Barrage deals 96581 (43411) Proton(Critical) to Seto.
Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 64
# 88
12-04-2012, 05:07 PM
Long and short of it there will be fleets that do everything they can to win, cheesy as it may need to get, and fleets that will take a more honorable road to make pvp as fun as they can for themselves AND others. Sometimes you end up with examples like pandas who almost always end up on top in addition to also not running all the cheesy garbage other fleets will resort to. Usually though, Pugland will suffer a bit more being completely neutered by commander sci level abilities coming from an escort like Grav pulse or AMS while the person using it against them I guess will be saying "see? I told you it was OP!"

the cycle continues and the world keeps turning...
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 238
# 89
12-04-2012, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by p2wsucks View Post
1. It speeds up power creep. This pushes the extremes of balancing.

2. It eats up a lot of dev time making the next power creep.

3. It encourages gambling via lotto boxes.

4. While you may not pay for it someone does.

5. There are now tiers of P2W which aren't balanced, and there's unbalances intra tiers of P2W.

6. People play games for fun, not to grind ie work. PvPers, don't like having to grind PvE all the time.

7. It gates new players from being as compatative as they could/should be, since they now have to grind for doffs, ships, sets, P2W consoles, etc.

8. 1-7 drives players from PvP resulting Cryptic Mgt having a pretext to not invest in PvP.
ty that explains it best for me...8D
Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,416
# 90
12-04-2012, 07:10 PM
well no matter what i say you guys hate us. so whatever.

tsi is what it is.

we got to the top without exploting, without cheating, and got a lot of hate reguardless.

all i said is tsi member will use what they want. that doesnt mean tsi will use every dirty trick out there.


i dont even know why i bother trying to talk to you guys. you all have such bad opinions towards us from the start.

guess thats the "life isnt fair" thing.
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
Do you even Science Bro?
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