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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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well i wanted to bring up a debate of t4 space rep. we have the dem proc 751.4 and we have 1050 regen every 6 secs.


first off on my ship my knitic resist is 21.4%
my maco sheilds is 171.4 regen every 6 secs. i dont even know if i get more regen then that. now i hope this new regen in tool tip gets fixed because ive love to see how it would scale with sheild power. or even if elctro plasma systems even boost it. i have a feeling it does. there are 2 other passives in t4 but ill talk about that later. now i know im thinking both team and solo play here. no way to even seprate the two. the gears in my head are spinning. so ill just keep it as 2 escourts verse 2 escourts.


since they do hit very hard, sheild bleed is very easy to achieve. but again 2.5 chance to hit that dem proc. i dont even know if thats for all weps total or is it per wep. can this dem passive be speced? but dont be to hasty to pass up the regen on an escourt. i know what your thinking, hey escourts need to do damage. we all do damage. but we always deal with lower sheilds and regen rates. but inorder to do damage we need a healer and to play smart to stay alieve to keep doing that damage. cant kill some one looking at a respwn timer can we? also omega gives 250.9 regen. right now i am thinking about going with the regen. i have seen ground toons with regen. lol these guys are so hard core they hit t3 working on t4. im working on t3 atm. but if ground is any guide line to go by i am liking the defance passives right now.



next we have 20% chance to regain 10% of our sheilds when crit hit and 20% chance to plactite a target when you crit hit them for 2 secs. now we all seen what the khg sheild can do. really freaking annoying. and now we also get to get the adapted version of khg so we get this skill with it as well. so as you can have a passive to go with the set. but this only goes to the target. the rest of the emeny team will still see you. but what about our go down fighting skill? how many times are you just stright up killing people at 10% hp just to die because you cant keep thoes sheilds up along with sheild bleed? well you can pick a passive to have better regen along with sheild heal crit along with sdo doffs. got sheilds??????? lol now i can say for a fact that if i was playing in my defaint i would want the faster regen and and the crit sheild heal. heck i think as a bug player i still want that. but i do have the rsp. just remember we all stood alive much better when we had borg sheild heals. i even swaped to tet glider since i lost my sheild procs. tet glider was the reason i went back to borg set awhile back. now that im looking at teams all using tet glider i think i need these sheild procs. then again how good will the dem proc and placate proc be? how good will dem with tet glider be? or plactate with khg or adapted version of khg? kinda feel when i make the choice im locked into a set. but for people going full borg i do sugest go for all sheild proc pasives.

Last edited by broken1981; 11-28-2012 at 03:14 AM.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
11-28-2012, 07:36 AM
Well, i know the shlds on escort are problem, but.. i would go with shld heal every 6 sec, and from the other option i would choose 2 sec placate (khg rulez), now u can have khg version of elite fleet shlds. Also i think u can gain even more shld heal with 2 BFI doffs. I`m using 2 off them (blues) on defiant and they can change everything in a dog fight, even in 2v1. I think the rep sys can provide nice solution for escorts and their poor shlds. Sure, time will show the true results, and i also can`t wait to see new "builts" with all these thingies in s7.
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# 3
11-28-2012, 07:45 AM
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Well, i know the shlds on escort are problem, but.. i would go with shld heal every 6 sec, and from the other option i would choose 2 sec placate (khg rulez), now u can have khg version of elite fleet shlds. Also i think u can gain even more shld heal with 2 BFI doffs. I`m using 2 off them (blues) on defiant and they can change everything in a dog fight, even in 2v1. I think the rep sys can provide nice solution for escorts and their poor shlds. Sure, time will show the true results, and i also can`t wait to see new "builts" with all these thingies in s7.

Brace for impact doffs were nerfed hard, so not worth it anymore
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# 4
11-28-2012, 08:06 AM
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Brace for impact doffs were nerfed hard, so not worth it anymore
nah, the change is that major as some ppl may think, they just heal instantly, not over time. They are still pretty good.
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Last edited by erkyss2; 11-28-2012 at 08:18 AM.
Career Officer
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# 5
11-28-2012, 03:27 PM
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Brace for impact doffs were nerfed hard, so not worth it anymore
thats a load of bs. and they did not get a nerf, they got fixed.
Career Officer
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# 6
11-28-2012, 10:08 PM
My BFI doffs seem far from useless.
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# 7
11-28-2012, 10:42 PM
Regarding the CritH, you're pretty much gonna get a proc from DHCs. With the repsystem boosts, weapon procs, skills I'm listed @ over 12% crit rate when using them before counting in APA or defensive debuffs. I'm assuming AoE Boff powers have the potential of placating multiple targets.

The other question is does non weapon based damage also placate? If you crit a GW have you just basically placated an entire group of enemies? If a plasma proc crits is that 15 procs, assuming they aren't cleared and if the 1st one crits they all crit, are you're free to fire away w/o being targetable? If pet spam crits does the player benefit?

You left out the rep system sci consoles too. Each lists as 2.5% proc to repair 1x/10sec hull or shield. Need to test if the 10 second rule is per console or no more than 1 can proc w/in the 10 seconds. Depending on the Sci console layout if you're under FF you can pretty much count on the console repair and the shield critH proc from rep system triggering. It can potentionally free up a Boff and or Doff slot so you can better apply your damage via target debuffs or more buffs.

But, unless you PuG most the time I think doesn't fit an Escort/Raider's role, so it's a matter of do you want to spec for a premade team environment or a pug environment?
Career Officer
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# 8
11-29-2012, 03:47 AM
just way to many consoles in game atm. i use the borg and the lobi console that boost turn and crit. im just thinking that in t4 omega and rom that the dem and platice procs are going to suck. i think its in the best intress of most people to go the sheild heal way. but good points tho on gw and other type of things. but i do want to test t4 passives on tribble. maybe opvp crowd can group up for tribble testing? ide hate to go in with just me and 2 other people. would be awesome if i can get a group of guys.
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# 9
11-29-2012, 10:45 AM
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the placate passive.

But I'm still torn on the DEM or heal abilities.
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# 10
11-30-2012, 12:14 AM
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just way to many consoles in game atm. i use the borg and the lobi console that boost turn and crit. im just thinking that in t4 omega and rom that the dem and platice procs are going to suck. i think its in the best intress of most people to go the sheild heal way. but good points tho on gw and other type of things. but i do want to test t4 passives on tribble. maybe opvp crowd can group up for tribble testing? ide hate to go in with just me and 2 other people. would be awesome if i can get a group of guys.
I'm a ways away from T4 rep system. Despite patch notes indicating shorter times I'm still @ 36 hours and the old resource count on the rep system. I'll probably be able to test the MKX consoles well before than (assuming they have the procs that is and I don't need to wait for T3 emabassy).

Yeah I run into console issues on the Vet ship, 1 so I can run w/the targeting skill boost mode, 1 borg, usually Plas Leech (I heard this was broke again and unable to confirm so stopped using), w/4 tac consoles that leaves just 2 open slots.

I really woulda liked it if the Fleet Brel option had a 4th Sci slot, but that'd be a ways away as well.

I'd imagine the Fleet MVAE w/its 3 sci console iirc and the 5 tac console layout. Off topic, but the Vesta may be interesting w/shield repair proc consoles + plasma + science ship bonus damage.

Edit: Fyi, I saw in the general forum section people were saying when the repec'd skills, they had to respec rep abilities. Not sure if this is a bug or not.
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