Survivor of Romulus
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# 111
12-05-2012, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dariusmajere View Post
They do have the Fleet Finder in game which shockingly I have gotten multiple members randomly out of. There is also a recruitment Board on the Forums for the players. But you can Advertise yourself in the Fleet finder, You just have to fill out the information tab of your fleet.
Long had that filled out good luck getting it to search proper sometimes thou, I've tried searching my fleet several times and the results aren't always consistent, You're right about the forum post, but not everyone uses the forums and even then recruitment posts can get buried in a couple of hours.

The real issue that keeps getting missed here is that smaller fleets take longer to progress than larger one, normally no big deal just recruit new members. However, the issue that larger fleets don't/can't understand is the higher the progression the higher end gear fleetmates can get. thus creating a huge incentive for joining a larger fleet, leaving us smaller fleets trying to scramble for the very few that don't want a larger fleet, or think a smaller fleet is cool until they realize the gear they're missing out on. Smaller fleets have no incentive really to appeal to new members.

It seems like there is some mis-communication that we smaller fleets want everything now and for free, really all we want is some type of system that levels the incentive field a little so we have more of a chance to recruit new members that will stay.

And just to beat whoever to the punch, you can't say an incentive for being in a smaller fleet is that you can contribute more hence getting more fleet creds, because people get too impatient waiting for the base to level up enough to spend those creds on good gear.

Here' s a challenge to all the large fleets that think it's so easy:

Splinter off 20 or fewer of your alts from different members or your fleet and create a new fleet, now only using those 20 or less alts try to progress in a fleet base along with the embassy and rep like you normally would. Then may be you'll be able to understand.

Last edited by voicesdark; 12-05-2012 at 09:51 AM.
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# 112
12-05-2012, 09:58 AM
[quote=xantris;6938411 It takes 20 minutes at most to meet your daily mark requirements to keep the Romulan reputation train running, and you can earn fleet marks while doing it. In the 15 minutes it takes to keep your Omega train running, you're also earning dilithium and loot. That leaves a whole lot of time to do fleet mark events, if that's what floats your boat.

This game's so-called grind is ridiculously easy for a casual player. I can manage to push my personal goals along and contribute to my fleet at a decent clip, and I play maybe an hour a day, and I don't even have any alts like most of the community does. The Doff system is a casual players dream, and the time-gated dilithium and reputation systems make it incredibly easy to keep up with hardcore players. What more do you want?
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Wow I want to live on your planet. For the past few day I have been unable to keep my OMEGA and ROMULAN trains running. I don't konw at what Tier you are right now but it mathematically impossible to get all the required ROMULAN or OMEGA marks in 15-20 minutes. As for Fleet Marks, I was in the queues for 3 hours the other day and only 1 ever popped up. So I made I big 31 Fleet Marks that days. I've stopped trying to do the Investigate Officer Reports since I'm wasting my time trying to do missions that I cannot complete because enemies or items do not spawn. So I do agree with the OP.
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# 113
12-05-2012, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by voicesdark View Post
Long had that filled out good luck getting it to search proper sometimes thou, I've tried searching my fleet several times and the results aren't always consistent, You're right about the forum post, but not everyone uses the forums and even then recruitment posts can get buried in a couple of hours.

The real issue that keeps getting missed here is that smaller fleets take longer to progress than larger one, normally no big deal just recruit new members. However, the issue that larger fleets don't/can't understand is the higher the progression the higher end gear fleetmates can get. thus creating a huge incentive for joining a larger fleet, leaving us smaller fleets trying to scramble for the very few that don't want a larger fleet, or think a smaller fleet is cool until they realize the gear they're missing out on. Smaller fleets have no incentive really to appeal to new members.

It seems like there is some mis-communication that we smaller fleets want everything now and for free, really all we want is some type of system that levels the incentive field a little so we have more of a chance to recruit new members that will stay.

And just to beat whoever to the punch, you can't say an incentive for being in a smaller fleet is that you can contribute more hence getting more fleet creds, because people get too impatient waiting for the base to level up enough to spend those creds on good gear.

Here' s a challenge to all the large fleets that think it's so easy:

Splinter off 20 or fewer of your alts from different members or your fleet and create a new fleet, now only using those 20 or less alts try to progress in a fleet base along with the embassy and rep like you normally would. Then may be you'll be able to understand.
Yes, But I can counter that My fleet was and many smaller fleets I know ARE keeping on the same playing field as the Larger fleets. We have been doing it since the beginning, and we did it with HArder requirements then are available now. Second off, The Fleet Gear isnt really that impressive if you have looked at it or seen others with it. You can get better and far cheaper resource wise gear off the Exchange. If the Fleet offered Accx3 gear I would say it was worth it, or even CritDx3. The only thing I am chasing is the Fleet Armitage and the Advanced Elite Pets for my carrier toons. Otherwise So far I have been Severely Depressed with what the fleet base offers. I am grinding to tier 5 just to pay 1 fleet module for 1 ship. Then I am hoping once science 5 unlocks the Advanced PEts will be worth the most likely tear jerking price of them. I would not even say the Gear is worth it for PVP because Accx3 off the exchange is way more worth then any of the fleet guns. For the most part STF gear is still Reigning Champ.
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# 114
12-05-2012, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by trygvar13 View Post
Wow I want to live on your planet. For the past few day I have been unable to keep my OMEGA and ROMULAN trains running. I don't konw at what Tier you are right now but it mathematically impossible to get all the required ROMULAN or OMEGA marks in 15-20 minutes. As for Fleet Marks, I was in the queues for 3 hours the other day and only 1 ever popped up. So I made I big 31 Fleet Marks that days. I've stopped trying to do the Investigate Officer Reports since I'm wasting my time trying to do missions that I cannot complete because enemies or items do not spawn. So I do agree with the OP.
Well sir I get 60-90 Omega Marks AT LEAST out of a Elite STF. As well as the 6-11 of the Borg Neuro's. Stop waiting in the FLARK event queu's Get on Defara or Get on Nakura, Alot of the medium Missions can be done solo and Quickly. Also on Defara it is typically EASY to get into a Hard level Team which Gives you a Nice amount of Fleet Marks out of it. I rarely PUG the Fleet mark Events.
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Survivor of Romulus
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# 115
12-05-2012, 10:12 AM
Omega is easy to get

Fleet is becoming near impossible

for example a very good friend of mine queued for klingon fleet actions for three hours yesterday
None started
Meanwhile I did a stf some missions and a couple of short foundrys

I myself have queued for upto an hour to get a fleet action going
and its harder now we can't see how many are in each queue
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# 116
12-05-2012, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax View Post
Omega is easy to get

Fleet is becoming near impossible

for example a very good friend of mine queued for klingon fleet actions for three hours yesterday
None started
Meanwhile I did a stf some missions and a couple of short foundrys

I myself have queued for upto an hour to get a fleet action going
and its harder now we can't see how many are in each queue
Well this is why I hit Nakura and Defara.you can still Earn Quick Fleet marks out of it. All day Long as well.
Also Subspace-Radio often is running the Events and so is it's listener Base. Channel: SSR . The DJ's are Awesome Except for Paul ( Hi Askray) and it's a fun group to hang out with. I am often tuned into SSR thru IRC or XMPP, and tuned into http://subspace-radio.net. It is also a good station to tune into because Often you will Hear Dev interviews the DJ's do as well as find out upcoming information before it hits the STO sites.
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# 117
12-05-2012, 10:25 AM
My two cents:

If you are looking for a fleet for purely social purposes and enjoy a small fleet setting, then continue to be in a small fleet. You will be waiting forever for shinies but that is the trade off.

If you are looking for a fleet to be a source of shinies, then get into at least a medium sized fleet and contribute to the projects.

I have been on both sides of the issue personally. I often get asked to join power fleets, but I really like the fleet I am in, so I stay. We are going to have to wait longer for some of the shinies, but I enjoy the community we have and that is more valuable than the shinies to me. If my perspective on that changes, I will join a bigger fleet and sacrifice the other aspects.

Consider this:

You CHOOSE to make a five man fleet. Or ... you CHOOSE to join a 200 man fleet. Either way it is YOUR CHOICE.

You could choose to hit somewhere in the middle. Instead of having a five man fleet or joining a 200 man fleet, consider being part of a medium sized fleet. Your five man fleet could be contributing those resources to projects that actually get completed. You could have your shinies AND still enjoy most of the small community flavor.

Expecting to have similar results from an itty bitty fleet and be on the same playing field with larger fleets, is like going into Gorn Minefield in a T2 ship with white MK III gear and then complaining that the "system of things" doesn't let you get first place.

You want your small tight knit group and not have to socialize with a larger group? I think that is awesome, but sorry, you don't get the same shinies as a huge fleet that has to deal with all the issues it presents.

That said, having to do anything (I.E. Officer of the Watch or in the case of Romulan Marks: Staging Area Daily) for a reward of five or ten marks seems pointless to me, regardless of how little time is involved. Just do other missions that reward better and don;t waste time on these missions.

And that is my two cents worth.
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# 118
12-05-2012, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by atomictiki View Post
F large fleets. If I wanted to be a nameless faceless number, I'd be in one already. I like(d) my small fleet, we were comrades in arms and it was fun.

LIKED

WERE comrades

WAS fun


You just raised an argument against your own position.
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# 119
12-05-2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dariusmajere View Post
Yes, But I can counter that My fleet was and many smaller fleets I know ARE keeping on the same playing field as the Larger fleets. We have been doing it since the beginning, and we did it with HArder requirements then are available now. Second off, The Fleet Gear isnt really that impressive if you have looked at it or seen others with it. You can get better and far cheaper resource wise gear off the Exchange. If the Fleet offered Accx3 gear I would say it was worth it, or even CritDx3. The only thing I am chasing is the Fleet Armitage and the Advanced Elite Pets for my carrier toons. Otherwise So far I have been Severely Depressed with what the fleet base offers. I am grinding to tier 5 just to pay 1 fleet module for 1 ship. Then I am hoping once science 5 unlocks the Advanced PEts will be worth the most likely tear jerking price of them. I would not even say the Gear is worth it for PVP because Accx3 off the exchange is way more worth then any of the fleet guns. For the most part STF gear is still Reigning Champ.
Okay well with that said about the fleet gear then perhaps your fleet and the other larger ones would be willing to do some type of alliance with the smaller fleets that want the higher tier fleet ships. personally I'd be willing to do some type of services trade for the ability to get a fleet mvae.
personally I was thinking of trying out the romulan space set and if that wasn't good enough going back to the stf set, especially now that you've said the fleet gear isn't really worth it.
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# 120
12-05-2012, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by voicesdark View Post
Okay well with that said about the fleet gear then perhaps your fleet and the other larger ones would be willing to do some type of alliance with the smaller fleets that want the higher tier fleet ships. personally I'd be willing to do some type of services trade for the ability to get a fleet mvae.
personally I was thinking of trying out the romulan space set and if that wasn't good enough going back to the stf set, especially now that you've said the fleet gear isn't really worth it.
I have Actually seen Fleets Offering to Sell Fleet Gear. I have seen Fleet Vessels Sell for 10 Mil EC (ontop of obviously what you are paying to Cryptic... )
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