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# 181
12-12-2012, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by squishkin View Post
The system is fair, you just don't happen to like it. The two things are not the same.
No, it's fair for you. Not fair for a majority of players. The two things are not the same.
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# 182
12-12-2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by atomictiki View Post
No, it's fair for you. Not fair for a majority of players. The two things are not the same.
I don't know if solo players out-number big-fleet-member players... do you have any links to any official player base demographics?

My fleet is medium-sized, and we just absorbed another smaller fleet for the sake of pooling resources and getting more live, long term players in our groups. Our Starbase T3 shipyard just got finished last night. We have perhaps no more than a dozen folks actively contributing to starbase and embassy upgrades. Several of our members actually host podcast shows dedicated to STO. Most of us just quietly play the STO and shoot the breeze on Vent.
Captain
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# 183
12-12-2012, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by atomictiki View Post
No, it's fair for you. Not fair for a majority of players. The two things are not the same.
Actually it's fair to all players, because all players have the choice of what fleet to join. If you want to be part of a small fleet for what ever reason that's your choice.

Fairness means everyone has the same options, not the same outcomes.

Also you have no way of knowing what the majority of the players think, or the size of their fleet.
Captain
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# 184
12-12-2012, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by skyranger1414 View Post
Why wait? Ask a fleet with a T3 shipyard if you can use their vendor.
This would appear to be the crux of the complaint and it's immediate solution.
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# 185
12-12-2012, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tc10b View Post
This would appear to be the crux of the complaint and it's immediate solution.
The problem with fleet-jumping just to buy tiered equipment is that these fleet items also consume fleet provisions. Fleets have to donate dilithium, DOFFS, EC, time, and lots of other resources to generate these provisions. So, it's a LOT of work... much more than what many small fleets can handle. A larger fleet has more access to more players, thereby pooling their collective resources and benefiting their members at a faster pace.

Some fleets will let you in to purchase fleet items, but they will usually asked to be reimbursed for their resources too. 50k dilithium just to use Fleet vendors is more than reasonable.
Captain
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# 186
12-12-2012, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tc10b View Post
This would appear to be the crux of the complaint and it's immediate solution.

Asked and answered, multiple times. I am not willing to abandon the countless hours I've already put into my base, and I don't have 20 hours a week to devote to farming altso so I can experiiment with other fleets.
Captain
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# 187
12-12-2012, 11:29 AM
There are several fleets you could join briefly and politely to buy a ship from. Several of my fleet members have run of to Tier 4 shipyard fleets in order to get fleet ships and have been welcomed back.

You could, in theory; temporarily leave your fleet and join a bigger one. Get your fleet ship and come back again. It has been done.

I do understand the provisioning requirements for fleets, as a fleet leader I spend most of my time trying to balance provisions for things. (I would like an option to ration out fleet purchases for this reason as I have seen several members drain all the provisions because they had an excess of credits and dilithium but c'est la vie.)

Some fleets, my own included would be happy to allow that. (The one thing we do have a surplus of, at least for now is fleet ship provisions.) Some for a modest fee.
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# 188
12-12-2012, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tc10b View Post
There are several fleets you could join briefly and politely to buy a ship from. Several of my fleet members have run of to Tier 4 shipyard fleets in order to get fleet ships and have been welcomed back.

You could, in theory; temporarily leave your fleet and join a bigger one. Get your fleet ship and come back again. It has been done.

I do understand the provisioning requirements for fleets, as a fleet leader I spend most of my time trying to balance provisions for things. (I would like an option to ration out fleet purchases for this reason as I have seen several members drain all the provisions because they had an excess of credits and dilithium but c'est la vie.)

Some fleets, my own included would be happy to allow that. (The one thing we do have a surplus of, at least for now is fleet ship provisions.) Some for a modest fee.
Any recommendations on fleets selling their Starbase Vendor services? I haven't had much luck locating them, and I'm interested in a Fleet Advanced Escort
Captain
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# 189
12-12-2012, 11:47 AM
Personally, my fleet is still working on tier 4 shipyard as we've tried to get all boats to rise together rather than just rush one agenda.

This being said, I know a member of my fleet who has said ship, so I will ask him and get back to you. They are around, you just have to ask and be polite and patient and I'm sure someone will help with this. Many fleets (even big ones) are resource starved particularly Doffs and Dilithium but also EC so these are good bargaining chips to bring to the table.
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# 190
12-12-2012, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hanover2 View Post

Asked and answered, multiple times. I am not willing to abandon the countless hours I've already put into my base, and I don't have 20 hours a week to devote to farming altso so I can experiiment with other fleets.

I don't mean you leaving your fleet, I believe you can actually get invited to another fleet's base and use their vendors. The provisions come out of YOUR fleet's stock, not your guests's base. Its not practical for access to all the perks at all times but it should be enough to get a T3 Defiant.
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