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# 531
12-26-2012, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
I don't get this

there is 450k Zen to sell between 98-102

but only 180k to buy between 97-93

thats a huge sell side imbalance
You don't get it because much of what he said is not based on facts. There is no 'cheating' involved here. Although in his mind, he believes that making a profit is cheating. If you buy Zen now at 98, and then sell it later at 100 (thereby making a profit in dilithium), he considers it 'cheating' or taking advantage of the system when, obviously, there is no cheating involved.

The sell side imbalance is simply a statement that dilithium is becoming more valuable than Zen at the moment. A large number of players are completing their T5 reputations this week. They need dilithium to make their purchases of Mark XII gear, hence the higher demand. And on the flip side, there has not been anything new released in the Z-store for the past couple of weeks. People with Zen, have nothing the spend the Zen on. Thus, they are selling it for dilithium which, if they completed T5, there is a lot of stuff to buy. One of our fleet members over this week, has spent over 300K dilihtium just in T5 Omega purchases.
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# 532
12-26-2012, 02:41 PM
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You don't get it because much of what he said is not based on facts. There is no 'cheating' involved here. Although in his mind, he believes that making a profit is cheating. If you buy Zen now at 98, and then sell it later at 100 (thereby making a profit in dilithium), he considers it 'cheating' or taking advantage of the system when, obviously, there is no cheating involved.

The sell side imbalance is simply a statement that dilithium is becoming more valuable than Zen at the moment. A large number of players are completing their T5 reputations this week. They need dilithium to make their purchases of Mark XII gear, hence the higher demand. And on the flip side, there has not been anything new released in the Z-store for the past couple of weeks. People with Zen, have nothing the spend the Zen on. Thus, they are selling it for dilithium which, if they completed T5, there is a lot of stuff to buy. One of our fleet members over this week, has spent over 300K dilihtium just in T5 Omega purchases.
Ok I get that - but where is all the Zen coming from? The sale is over - so are people still buying Zen hand over fist with real dollars they way the sell side would suggest?

I know when credit card bills hit in Mid-Jan - there must be some shock as always that should calm some of the selling.
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# 533
12-26-2012, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
Ok I get that - but where is all the Zen coming from? The sale is over - so are people still buying Zen hand over fist with real dollars they way the sell side would suggest?

I know when credit card bills hit in Mid-Jan - there must be some shock as always that should calm some of the selling.
Just because the sale is over doesn't mean there is no Zen around. I'm sitting on several thousand Zen right now, and have been for months. But I have not put it up for sale. When people buy Zen, and when people put it on the exchange are 2 different things. I will sometimes buy Zen if it goes on sale even if I don't need it right away. I'll buy just because it's a good deal. I can always put it up for sale later when I actually need the dilithium, IF I am ok with the exchange rate. It's a matter of how badly and how urgently I need it. If neither is the case, I'll just save the Zen, and grind out the dilithium.
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# 534
12-26-2012, 06:31 PM
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Ok I get that - but where is all the Zen coming from? The sale is over - so are people still buying Zen hand over fist with real dollars they way the sell side would suggest?
Just because there's no sale doesn't mean there's not people buying Z. A bunch of folks got Christmas money/gift cards, so there will likely be a big influx of Z over the next week or so, as kids that don't have credit cards can buy Z, or people that normally don't buy Z but have money that they can't think of other gaming things to get (like me!).

Of course, I won't be putting my Z on the exchange, either. I need doff slots, baby!
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# 535
12-26-2012, 06:48 PM
Since the Zen prices continue to slowly drop I've changed my focus to farming for keys to get Lobi. Just cuz why not? It's pretty random as you know so I'm far away from anything useful in the Lobi store. But what else am I gonna do besides chase Romulan space rabbits?

But man, do I have a lot of weird Doffs now from unlocking those boxes.

Here's what I've noticed about the four boxes: The Cardassian box is the least likely to get you something near useless. The Ferengi box seems to be free with the Doffs. The Tholian and Temporal boxes are great if you want a fleet mark booster.

Anyway, stay low, Zen. Stay low. I'm only four hundred keys away from that sweet temporal ship for my sci captain. I can feel it in my bones.
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# 536
12-26-2012, 07:21 PM
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Since the Zen prices continue to slowly drop I've changed my focus to farming for keys to get Lobi. Just cuz why not? It's pretty random as you know so I'm far away from anything useful in the Lobi store. But what else am I gonna do besides chase Romulan space rabbits?

But man, do I have a lot of weird Doffs now from unlocking those boxes.

Here's what I've noticed about the four boxes: The Cardassian box is the least likely to get you something near useless. The Ferengi box seems to be free with the Doffs. The Tholian and Temporal boxes are great if you want a fleet mark booster.

Anyway, stay low, Zen. Stay low. I'm only four hundred keys away from that sweet temporal ship for my sci captain. I can feel it in my bones.
Temporal box gives an avg of 5.5 lobi per box - good luck
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# 537
12-26-2012, 08:40 PM
Looking back at the first post... I wish for 130 dil per zen these days!

But yeah... this is getting ridiculous. I can't get fleetmates to contribute to fleet projects because they're saving their dilithium to buy zen. So it's up to me to take care of things. Drop a twenty on some dil to get some stuff... no big deal. Now 20 bucks can't get me diddly squat for dil. It won't even complete a really dil intensive starbase project at these prices.

So for me it's more worthwhile to save my dil and go without certain items. I've reached my breaking point. That's it. No more.

I don't blame cryptic. They may have set the environment, but it's completely the player's fault that prices are as insane as they are. Players set the prices, set the value, and hoarde the supply. We're to blame.

So if we're wanting to get dil back to reasonable prices we're gonna have to convince players to do it themselves as a collective effort...




YEAH RIGHT!

I've never known a player community to do ANYTHING that would help the whole while screwing themselves over as individuals!

So essentially we're stuck with this problem! We players are such greedy, selfish bastards that there is no way in hell this problem will be solved. None! We made our own hell! We have to live with it!
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# 538
12-26-2012, 08:51 PM
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Looking back at the first post... I wish for 130 dil per zen these days!

But yeah... this is getting ridiculous. I can't get fleetmates to contribute to fleet projects because they're saving their dilithium to buy zen. So it's up to me to take care of things. Drop a twenty on some dil to get some stuff... no big deal. Now 20 bucks can't get me diddly squat for dil. It won't even complete a really dil intensive starbase project at these prices.

So for me it's more worthwhile to save my dil and go without certain items. I've reached my breaking point. That's it. No more.

I don't blame cryptic. They may have set the environment, but it's completely the player's fault that prices are as insane as they are. Players set the prices, set the value, and hoarde the supply. We're to blame.

So if we're wanting to get dil back to reasonable prices we're gonna have to convince players to do it themselves as a collective effort...




YEAH RIGHT!

I've never known a player community to do ANYTHING that would help the whole while screwing themselves over as individuals!

So essentially we're stuck with this problem! We players are such greedy, selfish bastards that there is no way in hell this problem will be solved. None! We made our own hell! We have to live with it!
I took my tin foil hat off for a bit and the thought that entered my mind - "what if Cryptic was the one selling mass amounts of Zen on the exchange to soak up even more dilthium and drive the price up?"

Seems this could explain the shear mass of Zen selling at these prices - i mean who is selling Sen right now? - This could be another dithium sink - Cryptic sells the Zen on the market and people soak it up with their dilthium.

Ok i will put my hat back on - or not
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# 539
12-26-2012, 10:57 PM
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We made our own hell!
Maybe for you. Me? I'm tap dancing around with the angels in Q Heaven.
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# 540
12-27-2012, 12:51 AM
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But yeah... this is getting ridiculous. I can't get fleetmates to contribute to fleet projects because they're saving their dilithium to buy zen.
Talk to your fleetmates and get everyone to agree to put up the first 500-1000 Dil they refine in a day for fleet proyects. Its what I do and it helps me keep a steady drip into the base. If the fleet is large that steady drip adds up rather fast and everyone can easily part with 500 refined DIl every day.

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