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# 821
01-15-2013, 12:15 PM
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By just about any economic viewpoint, something losing more than 2/3ds of it's trading value in a fairly short window of time is the definition of a crash.
Not necessarily. If the item was overvalued (over-inflated) to begin with, it isn't a crash. Dil/Zen started at about 80-90/1 when it started, quickly inflated to 300/1 and stayed there for a bit but recently dropped back to close its original value. The inflation of the item has been corrected (deflated).
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# 822
01-15-2013, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by admiralandy View Post
I think it was rather misleading to say dilithium has officially crashed, unless there was a direct announcement from Cryptic management. Rather Dilithium prices are: 'Working as intended' I expect if there were any official response. Whilst I agree with the sentiment, dilithium even lower these days for the zen I don't spend anymore. There hasn't been much official about this.

Merely same vague talk that dilithium will be looked at in one of the recent interviews and no real details as to how it will be looked at.

Given the frustration caused by dilithium I am in no way defending Cryptic, but believe the forums are best served with honest and clear messages however emotively expressed.

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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
By just about any economic viewpoint, something losing more than 2/3ds of it's trading value in a fairly short window of time is the definition of a crash.
It's hard to read through almost 1000 posts - but i have said a few times that it's ZEN's value to dilthium that has crashed - but saying "dilthium has crashed"(which it has in numerical number - is just more eye catching than saying "zen has crashed" - since dilthium is on the minds of every player in the game all the time where as Zen is not.

This thread has never been anything other than an information thread - where people talk about how they feel - and I would say in just under 2 months with 42,000 views and almost 1000 posts - it's a hot topic.

I expect this thread to last for some time as the market will be in flux a lot over the next few months.

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# 823
01-15-2013, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by whamhammer1 View Post
Not necessarily. If the item was overvalued (over-inflated) to begin with, it isn't a crash. Dil/Zen started at about 80-90/1 when it started, quickly inflated to 300/1 and stayed there for a bit but recently dropped back to close its original value. The inflation of the item has been corrected (deflated).
No the stock market is the same - if the Dow was at 5000 in 1995 and went to 15,000 - then fell back to 5000 in a few months everyone would say the stock market has "CRASHED" not deflated.
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# 824
01-15-2013, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
No the stock market is the same - if the Dow was at 5000 in 1995 and went to 15,000 - then fell back to 5000 in a few months everyone would say the stock market has "CRASHED" not deflated.
That depends, sometimes it is called a correction not a crash. What causes the difference is whether people feel it was overvalued or not. If it was seen as a reasonable price they call it a crash. If it was a bubble waiting to burst they call it a correction.
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# 825
01-15-2013, 04:10 PM
Glad that the dilithium are below 100. Its manageable to get enough to buy ships for 2500zen, without living in the game. Buuuut, it'll most likely skyrocket to 250-300ish when another sought after ship comes...
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# 826
01-15-2013, 04:16 PM
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Dilithium hasn't crashed, its just lower than what people who used to buy Zen to get mass quantities of dilithium wan't it to be. At 300/1 dil/Zen ratio of the past is what they want, but wouldn't the Zen buyers then say it is crashed then?
They did complain

The people who are complaining now told previous complainers that it was the way it's supposed to be because "markets" and not because they were benefitting from the exchange rate at the time.
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# 827
01-15-2013, 04:44 PM
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No the stock market is the same - if the Dow was at 5000 in 1995 and went to 15,000 - then fell back to 5000 in a few months everyone would say the stock market has "CRASHED" not deflated.
You're confusing what the currency is here though.

Dilithium is the commodity. ZEN is the currency.

The value of dilithium skyrocketed.

If the stock for my potato farm rose from $5 to $50, you wouldn't say, "OMG! The value of money dropped! Look how much less potato farm stock i can buy!" It's that the potato farm performed well. If it outpriced you, that isn't automatically a bad thing.

If it outprices too many people, Cryptic will attempt to increase the value of ZEN. And they will probably do it NOT with shiny new ships (because they already produce those as fast as they can) but with more Fleet Ship Module-type sinks.

Do you want ZEN-financed weapon requisitions that outclass Fleet/Mk XII set weapons or Elite Quality Bridge officer lockboxes for exclusive space traits? Because that's how they'll correct for dilithium being overvalued. By increasing the pressure for ZEN sales in a non-art intensive way.
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# 828
01-15-2013, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nejdine View Post
Glad that the dilithium are below 100. Its manageable to get enough to buy ships for 2500zen, without living in the game. Buuuut, it'll most likely skyrocket to 250-300ish when another sought after ship comes...
Yeah, that's the other thing I don't get about the complaints here. There are basically three actors in this area:

1) Players who want to earn Dilithium and use it to purchase Zen so they can buy stuff.
2) PWE, who wants people to spend money on Zen to buy Dilithium.
3) Players who want to spend money on Zen and use it to buy Dilithium.

#1 and #2 benefit hugely from Zen being cheap as it is right now. #3 don't, but we're the only ones spending money anyway; the #1 folks are almost all low-spenders no matter what the in-game economic climate looks like, and #3 is where all the whales (or what my gaming clan calls "the more money than sense club") are found.

Yet it seems like most of the people complaining are in the #1 category, and by their comments seem to think that when PWE understands that the market has crashed, they'll rush to "fix the problem". In reality, they're probably high-fiving because they've got the market in the right place finally.
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# 829
01-15-2013, 04:54 PM
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Do you want ZEN-financed weapon requisitions that outclass Fleet/Mk XII set weapons or Elite Quality Bridge officer lockboxes for exclusive space traits? Because that's how they'll correct for dilithium being overvalued. By increasing the pressure for ZEN sales in a non-art intensive way.
Hm I guess you're right. If elite stuff goes in the store then it'll just be a purely pay to win game. It's already the case in a way but we can choose to farm to get what we want. So, no way. Keep it as it is.

I don't mind more dilithium sinks if we can just play the game to get our ship equipement.
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# 830
01-15-2013, 05:16 PM
I've been around this game enough now to say this with confidence:

Anyone who thinks 1 zen "should" cost 200 dilithium or more is flat out trolling so blatantly that you're really just asking sane people to ignore absolutely everything you have to say about this game. It's that silly.
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