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# 891
01-24-2013, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cptvanor View Post
I see this every so often but I have yet to see anyone list any actual content that the Starbase unlocks.
There are several fleet actions or PvE queue activities that require fleet membership to participate in. And since the PvE queues appear to be where most of the action is these days, that can be an issue.

The starbase / embassy themselves also unlock a few daily missions for fleet credits, but they're just "go here and press f" type things, so I don't think anyone should be heartbroken about missing out on those.


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# 892
01-24-2013, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by felderburg View Post
There are several fleet actions or PvE queue activities that require fleet membership to participate in. And since the PvE queues appear to be where most of the action is these days, that can be an issue.
Yes but you don't need a T5 starbase to do those, which is my point. People commenting about how content is gated behind Tx, yet there is no mission that's unlocked by having a T3 or T5 star base that I know of.

So yes you miss out on some weapons and a uniform if you don't advance your starbase, but uniforms and weapons are not content.

Also yes, you do miss out on some content if you don't belong to a fleet. But you don't need anything other then being a member of a fleet to get access to those fleet events.
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# 893
01-24-2013, 10:25 AM
BUT you do need a T5 starbase to fight particular enemies, and achieve the resulting accolades
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# 894
01-24-2013, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pinoir View Post
BUT you do need a T5 starbase to fight particular enemies, and achieve the resulting accolades
Missing out on a few 'kill named ship' accolades is hardly the same thing as missing out on actual content. Plus you don't need to have your SB of tier X. It's based on the tier of the randomly chosen star base.

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# 895
01-24-2013, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cptvanor View Post
Yes but you don't need a T5 starbase to do those, which is my point. People commenting about how content is gated behind Tx, yet there is no mission that's unlocked by having a T3 or T5 star base that I know of.
I agree however, getting a new ship or access to new equipment serves as content in STO - primarily because so little actual playable content has been introduced since F2P.

People get bored doing the same stuff with the same characters in the same ships - Fleet ships, weapons and now consoles and Kits allow you to mix things up a little and (if you have access to them) provide you with new ways to tackle old content.

Most of the gains are minimal but some of them (like the Omega Torpedo/Cutting Beam) offer interesting new mechanics which you can potentially respec and build around and lots of people find that fun.

The point is, for those that have done everything there is to do, access to an interesting new Fleet (or C-Store, or lockbox) ship is a starting point to some enjoyable, if short-lived tinkering and refining of builds.

If you don't have access to those things then that's content (of a sort) that's locked away from you.

Some people are in huge fleets.
Some people have lots of time on their hands (and patience) to grind.
And some people have lots of cash to spend on Zen or Dilithium.

But some people play STO because it's free, and because it's 'casual' and perhaps they don't want to be in a large Fleet or can't compete with the 'whales' - and these people are getting penalized.
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# 896
01-24-2013, 10:35 AM
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If you don't have access to those things then that's content (of a sort) that's locked away from you.
Missing out on a ship is not the same thing as missing out on content. I simply don't buy this line of thinking that somehow doing the same mission with a slightly different ship is somehow the same as doing new content.

Fighting in a T4 escort is hardly a massive difference than fighting in a T5 escort.

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and these people are getting penalized.
No they're not, they made a choice on how to play and what to do, they have the same option as everyone else.
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# 897
01-24-2013, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by cptvanor View Post
Missing out on a ship is not the same thing as missing out on content. I simply don't buy this line of thinking that somehow doing the same mission with a slightly different ship is somehow the same as doing new content.
I won't disagree, others feel differently though - hence the numerous arguments we've had in these forums over what constitutes 'content'.

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Fighting in a T4 escort is hardly a massive difference than fighting in a T5 escort.
I guess you don't PvP or do many Elite STFs then? The jump from a Tier 4/5 ship to a Fleet one is significant - typically you'll gain a console slot which might increase your DPS noticeably (Fleet Defiant) or perhaps allow you to slot an additional Uni Console like the Theta Vents or the Plasmonic Leech (or whatever). You've also got better shields, hull and a new material (if that's your thing).

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No they're not, they made a choice on how to play and what to do, they have the same option as everyone else.
Let them eat cake eh?
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# 898
01-24-2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by weylandjuarez View Post
Let them eat cake eh?
Hardly the same thing as what I said. If someone chooses to not get involved, then they have only themselves to blame.

As far as the T4 to T5 thing. Yes a T5 ship is much better then a T4, but it's not like the game plays differently then it did before. Going from a Cruiser to a Escort is a big change in game play, but going from a T4 to T5 ship is not much more then increased DPS, Shields, hull ect...
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# 899
01-24-2013, 01:01 PM
Holy thread derail batman! Changing the subject back to the original one, the value of dilithium relative to c-points is going up again. I could purchase c-points at 85di/c-point about 4-5 days ago. As of yesterday, the cheapest deal for purchasing c-points was 90 di/cpoint. Once people finish their rep projects, the exchange rate will drop again to around 85 di/cpoint hopefully. We'll just have to wait and see.
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# 900
01-24-2013, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by knuhteb5 View Post
Holy thread derail batman! Changing the subject back to the original one, the value of dilithium relative to c-points is going up again. I could purchase c-points at 85di/c-point about 4-5 days ago. As of yesterday, the cheapest deal for purchasing c-points was 90 di/cpoint. Once people finish their rep projects, the exchange rate will drop again to around 85 di/cpoint hopefully. We'll just have to wait and see.
An expected increase considering there's a sale on keys and the release of the new lock boxes, poor souls dumping hard earned cash into empty dreams....of course the constant in-game announcement of 'So-and-so got a uber-special ship, noob!!' would compel you to think otherwise.

Content, at least in this game, seems to depend on shiny boxes with RNG inside them these days and giant timers that predict dispensing of your 'quest' rewards after paying off the Gods. In an extreme effort to prevent gold sellers, Cryptic has become it's own gold spammer and locked the game down so hard with these ridiculous exchange systems there's no joy in anything.
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