Former PWE Community Team Lead
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Community Member Sargon checks in to provide important updates for PvP Boot Camp participants, including information about Space PvP Session #3, the new Ground PvP sessions, and more.


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Brandon "BranFlakes" Felczer | Former Community Team Lead for Perfect World Entertainment

Last edited by pwebranflakes; 02-20-2013 at 12:03 PM.
Lieutenant
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# 2
02-20-2013, 12:49 PM
Here is how to enjoy pvp. Go to Hilberts Guide and read everything you need to know.

Pull out your credit card and buy $3000 zen points. Buy 3000 keys and sell them for 3 billion energy credits.

Buy a Jem hadar attack ship so you can have a ship that holds 5 tactical consoles and turns like a BOP with decent hull. It should cost you about 500,000,000 energy credits. Then buy the premium duty officers, you know the ones that "sometimes" come in the packs and thatsell on the exchange for 50,000,000 ec. Then you want dual heavy cannons with [acc]x3 flags on them and I imagine by the time you add 7 weapons with acc x 3 on them that you will have spent 1,500,000,000 energy credits. You need purple mk xii consoles and those will run you 250,000,000 ec or thereabouts. The guys you will be fighting often have all veteran boffs and they sell on the black market for 350,000,000 and you will want 5 of those so expect 1,500,000,000 for your boffs if you can find them. After this you will want a pay to win console and a premium engine / deflector / shield set. You might need to donate $1000 worth of "stuff" to your fleet so you can get tier 5 starbase buffs added to your fleet. Rechargeable shield batteries that cost 50,000,000 and other nice add ons will complete the picture.

Add it up together and your total cost will be:

1. 500,000,000 pay to win ship
2. 1,500,000,000 weapons for it
3. 250,000,000 top duty officers
4. 1,500,000,000 boffs
5. 250,000,000 consoles
6. 1,000,000,000 sets ie Jem Hadar mk xii or better
7. 500,000,000 random misc items like recharg shield batt - pay to win console - etc...

Total cost about 5,000,000,000 for your ride. I will even be pleasant and assume you are a dedicated shopper or that you play stfs enough to get one accx3 weapon for free or that you can find discounts. Even if you are great at this it should cost you about 3,000,000,000 for your ride or about $3000.

If you do not have these things then enjoy fighting pvp matches with others that do because there are lots of them out there that will pay any price to enjoy defeating you.

You can go to boot camps all day but they wont teach you things that pay to win players do not know. You might get encouraged to become cannon fodder for awhile but if you want to win or even just to compete you better pay up. Thats the point here isnt it. Encourage people to pay.

PvP would be fun if the playing fields were equal. League of Legends is overflowing because its wonderfully balanced and the newest player that signs up today is on an equal playing field based on equipment, balance, and playability. Skill separates people there. Money separates people here.

Hey, I love pvp and I want you to have fun with it. But if you want to be the best then look at whats on the rides of the best players and then build it up. If you dont then pvp will be frustrating for you.

Just one mans opinion.

Go to Boot Camp if you want,

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# 3
02-20-2013, 03:32 PM
bug you really have not gone to these sessions have ya? cuz i have seen people in freebie ships outmanuver attackships with the best of everything. just because you have the best does not mean your the best all you got is a shiny piece of tech and when it comes down to it the better tactitian and pilot are what makes a great pvper that much i have learned from the sessions and i have gained survivability from it and ways to deal damage.
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# 4
02-20-2013, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by neos472 View Post
bug you really have not gone to these sessions have ya? cuz i have seen people in freebie ships outmanuver attackships with the best of everything. just because you have the best does not mean your the best all you got is a shiny piece of tech and when it comes down to it the better tactitian and pilot are what makes a great pvper that much i have learned from the sessions and i have gained survivability from it and ways to deal damage.
I think they point they were trying to make is that it feels like you really can pay to win. Sure, there are captains out there that can take out most pay to win people, but they are few and far between. In most cases, even they have spent money to get better gear. It is exceedingly rare that a 100% ftp player is going to best someone who has dropped money on this game. Like I said, I am sure there are a couple of people who really are that good out there, but they are very much a rare commodity.

That being said, attending a free class is hardly a bad thing. Who knows. You may actually come away with some useful information.
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# 5
02-20-2013, 04:48 PM
I get the point Bug is trying to make. However, people need to keep in mind that Branflakes and the rest of the coaches are doing this for FREE on a voluntary basis. The coaches are not only helpful and friendly but go above and beyond spending HOURS with students AFTER the class itself to help us improve our game play!

Thus, given the constant negativity in general on the STO forum, when it comes to the PVP Boot camp people need to quit being negative! There is a time and place for everything and when it comes to bootcamp in particular there need only be praise of the efforts behind putting this together for FREE and out of the personal time and efforts of each personal coach!
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# 6
02-20-2013, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by olivia211 View Post
That being said, attending a free class is hardly a bad thing. Who knows. You may actually come away with some useful information.

It's not just a free class though.

Top PvPers are just there, doling out their knowledge for the sake of PvP, for the sake of the PvP ecosystem.


Even if you never PvP again afterwards (which would be a shame) you will still learn quite a lot about the combat mechanics in this game, team-focused play, skills & BOFF powers.

It's definitely worth it.

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# 7
02-21-2013, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bugshu View Post
PvP would be fun if the playing fields were equal. League of Legends is overflowing because its wonderfully balanced and the newest player that signs up today is on an equal playing field based on equipment, balance, and playability. Skill separates people there. Money separates people here.
Considering that I play League of Legends on and off, I wouldn't call that game balanced either. I get what your saying about pay to win in PVP in this game, it holds true in most MMOs. Even fighting games like Street Fighter 4 and Tekken Tag aren't truly balanced, the competitive pros will tell you that. But what's the harm in learning about PVP from veteran players and playing with them for fun. I don't see anything bad about the boot camp at all. I don't play the pvp modes in STO, but this interests me as a way to learn more about the game and how to become a better player overall.
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# 8
02-21-2013, 05:30 AM
As for the OP gear discussion. somewhere among the top 1% of players in STO, when dueling amongst each other gear can tip the scale. But so can a lucky crit, which is just that, random.

For the vast majority of sheer mortals, spending billions to get Mk XII purple shinnies, Doffs, bugs and whatnot won't save them. Gear dependency used to be a non-issue in STO. This has slightly changed, and we should all keep a careful eye on that development. However, PvP Boot Camp is about the power of teamwork. Two people in RA ships with green gear who know what they are doing are often enough to destroy an all lockbox pug on the opposing side.

I am still using Mk XI blue gear on 3 of my toons. From S2 when those Crafted or Dil Store items were the standard end-game gear. The fact that many players feel that pay2win has gotten out of hand is something that should be of interest to Cryptic. But in 99.99% of matches, gear is not the deciding factor. If you want to find out what is, feel free to sign up.

And since I just stumbled across this rumor in game yesterday, let me be very clear. Boot Camp does not impose any gear restrictions for the sessions. If something is broke and you play style relies on it, you are better of learning to move without the crutch, which is what we are trying to help players with. So we will explain why certain items and powers are broken and considered crutches, and often banned from premade matches. We won't, however, deny you your crutches.
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# 9
02-21-2013, 10:25 AM
Do you have to call the coaches "Boss" and "Sir" and pay them regular tribute and homage, or do you refer to them as masters, commanders and gods of the STO universe? This seems good, but in retrospect if people really enjoy learning they can make friends and learn, or look for interactive guides. Things like this seem to be more about ego boosting for those 'veterans' that want to be widely acknowledged and humble others on a video game.

Having played only RTS games for pvp enjoyment and competition, i've always found that the more prominent players offer help and training in effort to polish their own ego's, and tend to act like they're doing something other than sitting at a computer desk. Do players here act like they're doing something other than playing a sci fi game derived from a series that's commonly associated with social rejects?

Yes, I realise i'm playing a star trek game myself, but I didn't say anywhere i'm anything but ashamed of the fact I really like it, who's to blame for that? If you're currently single, own a captains uniform and hate star wars, you know who you are.

As for the balanced comments, I've played forsaken and perfect world with PW and those are what you call unbalanced, try playing someone that can wipe you out with one skill due to epic mastery and chroma. ( which is where this game will be going, so enjoy the ride! )
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# 10
02-21-2013, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hopeiswatching View Post
Do you have to call the coaches "Boss" and "Sir" and pay them regular tribute and homage, or do you refer to them as masters, commanders and gods of the STO universe?

Where do people like you come up with the justification to start baseless rumors and outright lies?


There is no nonsense like any of what you state above, and for the record I am not a teacher (I'm a student in the ground portion).


We call each other by our character names or @handles, we chat on TS like real humans and are accountable like real humans for the things we say and do and can't hide behind the anonymity of text.

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