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# 51
12-10-2012, 06:42 AM
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Never said they did not back pedal. BUt you sir Said. it was never supose to be full Faction. That is lie. It was. Original plan to be full Faction per that video. It was not till open beta that they change it from full faction to faction we finish later. Then to PVP only faction.

Now that said. Had cryptic done other wise they would have been no game. How it been almost three years. It past time to finish he faction.
I Said, At Launch. What Matters is Day of Sale. If you members Are Adament and I am sure this line will vanish Quick. That Day of Sale promises Were Not met, You have whats Called False Advertising. You have the ability to find one of them Greedy Ferengi out there who will take a cut.. To force them to do it, Or refund the player base.
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# 52
12-10-2012, 07:01 AM
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DStah: Prior to launch, Craig did attempt to start communicating that KDF at launch was going to be PVP only - and in Beta that is exactly what it was.

It was during Beta that Jack started to talk about "if the players want KDF PVE - we'll listen" - but at that late stage in the game, there was not much the development team can do to instantly come up with 30 hours of KDF PVE content compared to what was made for the Fed side.
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Player Assumptions ARE not Hard Fact. Players Assumptions are treated like any Assumption, Unless it is 100% flat out handed down with a Date. It is Speculative.
No, its only 3 years now down the road. They've had plenty of time to do it. That specific enough for you? You're giving excuses, not reasons. Any Christian will tell you the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Oh and btw, while you're out spewing propaganda for craptic, since you're not a craptic employee, your so called "facts" are mere assumptions as well.

Craptics intentions aside, they've not followed through with their promises or any fundamental obligation to fix their broken crap. 3 years craptic has had to get its act together. 3 years they've continued to let down the player base and push customers away.

I haven't been playing STO for 3 years, but I've been a life time subscriber for over a year now. This all was apparent to me when I hit 50 on my first toon back in early January. Things haven't gotten any better, quite the contrary, in fact.

Take away star trek from this game and what are you left with? Seriously... remove all trek references, replace the ships and costumes with generic space ships and the like, leave everything else in place. Would you play? Can you honestly tell me you would spend real money and support this game?

I'm here for Star Trek. It pisses me off to see this money hungry, incompetently managed company destroy one of the last vestiges of star trek from the inside out. Every day that goes by, I get just a little tiny bit more angry at PWE and Craptic. One day, it'll boil over and I don't know what will happen. I may just close my account and walk away forever, or I may do something completely outrageous. No idea.
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# 53
12-10-2012, 07:13 AM
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No, its only 3 years now down the road. They've had plenty of time to do it. That specific enough for you? You're giving excuses, not reasons. Any Christian will tell you the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Oh and btw, while you're out spewing propaganda for craptic, since you're not a craptic employee, your so called "facts" are mere assumptions as well.

Craptics intentions aside, they've not followed through with their promises or any fundamental obligation to fix their broken crap. 3 years craptic has had to get its act together. 3 years they've continued to let down the player base and push customers away.

I haven't been playing STO for 3 years, but I've been a life time subscriber for over a year now. This all was apparent to me when I hit 50 on my first toon back in early January. Things haven't gotten any better, quite the contrary, in fact.

Take away star trek from this game and what are you left with? Seriously... remove all trek references, replace the ships and costumes with generic space ships and the like, leave everything else in place. Would you play? Can you honestly tell me you would spend real money and support this game?

I'm here for Star Trek. It pisses me off to see this money hungry, incompetently managed company destroy one of the last vestiges of star trek from the inside out. Every day that goes by, I get just a little tiny bit more angry at PWE and Craptic. One day, it'll boil over and I don't know what will happen. I may just close my account and walk away forever, or I may do something completely outrageous. No idea.
And any Free thinker will Tell you there is No True christians today, Because None of them Actually Follow There Scriptures. Luckily Today We have people Who are Free from Such Mind Controlling Abilities we can Get things Done. But Aside From that Since the debate would Get Crushed Bringing a religious Debate into it.
We are Talking About Facts. Cryptic Has not Set a Date to Hit to be deemed Breaking Promises. They have Stated Content was Coming, they stated Content would arrive here and there and not in one lump Sum. They have followed thru On Delivering Content At said Dates, Never Said what content Was Coming. But Still Delivered KDF content, We do not Decide What Content Is, The Developer Does. The Developer Has yet To state X is Coming on X Date and X never Happened. Things that Are Planned are Still Planned. When things are Put down to the player base on an Actual Date and Time Frame Are then Official Goals that they have to hit.
Would I play this Game If Star Trek was Removed. Yes, I would. I still enjoy playing it. I personally don't Even Look at it as Star Trek Since it is beyond Even JJ Trek. Except For likeliness there are no Star Trek ideologies In here. The Game is Action orientated and less about Scientific Discovery or meeting new alien races and uniting them under One flag. No where In this game is Rodenberries Utopian society Being Pushed. Even With this Knowledge Being well out there, And even how the Game is Advertised on Website, And on the packaging itself. This game has showed Nothing About Rodenberries Dream.
Star Trek Died With Rodenberry, Its the Fans That keep it going. Hell It took JJ Abrams who got new fans even coming to watch it, mainly because its one giant roller coaster with fireworks going off. This is how the future Of Trek is until someone else who thinks they can reboot the reboot is going to Be.
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# 54
12-10-2012, 07:15 AM
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I Said, At Launch. What Matters is Day of Sale. If you members Are Adament and I am sure this line will vanish Quick. That Day of Sale promises Were Not met, You have whats Called False Advertising. You have the ability to find one of them Greedy Ferengi out there who will take a cut.. To force them to do it, Or refund the player base.
You also gave cryptic a free pass on that fact that did at one point say the Faction would be full PVE Faction. It matters little when it was said. It was stated. And three years after launch the faction is still anything but a Full PVE Faction. So to say it was always supose to be PVP only faction. IS a LIE.

The truth is. KDF Was supose to be a Full PVE Faction. Then at some point toward launch cryptic release they did not have time and start change what the KDF was supose to be.
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# 55
12-10-2012, 07:29 AM
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You also gave cryptic a free pass on that fact that did at one point say the Faction would be full PVE Faction. It matters little when it was said. It was stated. And three years after launch the faction is still anything but a Full PVE Faction. So to say it was always supose to be PVP only faction. IS a LIE.

The truth is. KDF Was supose to be a Full PVE Faction. Then at some point toward launch cryptic release they did not have time and start change what the KDF was supose to be.
I have Also continuously stated At Launch. Not BEFORE. Cryptic Gets A Free Pass on What was NOT sold to the customer What Was not delivered to the customer by the time the payment Was Made. As I Said If you have Evidence That the Full PVE content Was supposed to Be available and Was Advertised and notified that at Day of payment It would be There. Then Legally Challenge It. I have NOT Defended Pre-Sale Promises. I have Defended Day of Sale what was Advertised.

If I was to be Debating Pre-Sale Promises I would NOT get involved In that, Nor would any Lawyer. BUT Day of Sale and to now is what I am Defending. The Day people Dropped Cash. If you Dropped Cash during the time they said It would be a Full PVE Product. Then Legally Challenge it.
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# 56
12-10-2012, 07:34 AM
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Would I play this Game If Star Trek was Removed. Yes, I would. I still enjoy playing it. I personally don't Even Look at it as Star Trek ...
You've told me what I suspected since your first response. You are behind cryptic and care little for the game. You like rooting for the underdog, I get it, that's fine. Just bear in mind while you're cuddling up with overlord Stahl on a down blanket with Zen logos stitched into it, that the rest of us are here for Star Trek. It deserves far better treatment that its getting.

Personally, I never heard of PWE or Cryptic before I started playing STO. Yes, I have heard of CoH and Champions online, never played it personally.. but no, never heard of cryptic or PWE and I didn't ever associate them with those two games until I looked into who was behind this trash.

What I find truly shocking, further delving into craptic, is that Kevin Cloud, one of the co-owners of Id Software sits on the board of advisors for craptic. I would absolutely LOVE to hear what this man has to say how the handling of this game has gone. Id Software is a gaming company I grew up on, a name I can trust. Neither PWE or Craptic is there, not even close.
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# 57
12-10-2012, 07:48 AM
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You've told me what I suspected since your first response. You are behind cryptic and care little for the game. You like rooting for the underdog, I get it, that's fine. Just bear in mind while you're cuddling up with overlord Stahl on a down blanket with Zen logos stitched into it, that the rest of us are here for Star Trek. It deserves far better treatment that its getting.

Personally, I never heard of PWE or Cryptic before I started playing STO. Yes, I have heard of CoH and Champions online, never played it personally.. but no, never heard of cryptic or PWE and I didn't ever associate them with those two games until I looked into who was behind this trash.

What I find truly shocking, further delving into craptic, is that Kevin Cloud, one of the co-owners of Id Software sits on the board of advisors for craptic. I would absolutely LOVE to hear what this man has to say how the handling of this game has gone. Id Software is a gaming company I grew up on, a name I can trust. Neither PWE or Craptic is there, not even close.
No What you don't understand is What I am Defending is what Cryptic Has Stated about the Game. Do I want more Trek in here yes. I want at least 70% of the combat Removed and the Science and Lore of Star Trek Brought into it. The Shows were not Built upon Non stop combat. I couldn't Care about the under Dog or Overlord Stahl. What I am Defending Is what was stated at LAUNCH. Many of you do not seem to get that. Also If you were Truly here for Star Trek, You would NOT HAVE GOTTEN THIS GAME. Nothing About this Game follows Trek. The Story It gives Yes, The Gameplay it Gives, the Missions it Offers it does Not. Since when In Star Trek Was it Shoot to Kill Primarily. This Game even has more Trigger happy aspects the Kirk's Days and it even in songs is joked with the lines of We Come in peace Shoot to kill. Where Have you come Across a Peaceful Resolution to something in this Game? Cardassian Story Arc.. won with Violence.. romulan Arc.. Won with Violance.. Breen/defara.. Won with Violence.. Borg.. well.. gonna be violent.. Undine.. Violent.. Klingon Arc, Very First Arc.. shoot to Kill. Where do you See Trek in that?

As for Kevin Cloud and ID Software.. Remember Who the Brains and business of ID Software is.. Carmack. As for ID Software.. Cloud was just an Artist. They are not even a main company anymore they are mostly with Bethesda Soft now who is Also Owned by Zenimax. Let's Look at how Bethesda has been Changing and shifting The Fallout Series Into a DLC Content based Game.. Or any of the games Zenimax Pushes.
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# 58
12-10-2012, 02:09 PM
I think you're just arguing now for the sake of arguing. I'm not going to debate you any longer. Craptic never once said prior to or after launch that they were going to put forth minimal effort to maintain this game or develop content, yet that is EXACTLY what they have done and there is absolutely no way that can be denied. If you think they're doing fine, well, I guess I just have higher standards and a lower tolerance for BS than you do, and judging by the trend in this thread and on the rest of the freaking forum, so do most of the other players. At least the ones that post. I'll quote myself for posterity's sake...

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It's been stated many times on these forums that the number of people that are unsatisfied with PWE and craptic far outnumber the number of people that are willing to defend them.
You have in fact deviated me from the point of my original post which is to put craptic on notice that I'm aware of their BS and I'm asking for them, out of nothing more than respect for the Star Trek franchise, to change their ways. If you (craptic) can't do that, then tell overlord Stahl to -1 customer on his metrics.
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# 59
12-10-2012, 05:07 PM
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I think you're just arguing now for the sake of arguing. I'm not going to debate you any longer. Craptic never once said prior to or after launch that they were going to put forth minimal effort to maintain this game or develop content, yet that is EXACTLY what they have done and there is absolutely no way that can be denied. If you think they're doing fine, well, I guess I just have higher standards and a lower tolerance for BS than you do, and judging by the trend in this thread and on the rest of the freaking forum, so do most of the other players. At least the ones that post. I'll quote myself for posterity's sake...



You have in fact deviated me from the point of my original post which is to put craptic on notice that I'm aware of their BS and I'm asking for them, out of nothing more than respect for the Star Trek franchise, to change their ways. If you (craptic) can't do that, then tell overlord Stahl to -1 customer on his metrics.
From Dstahl in response to a user:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=124
01-07-2011, 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
"If dstahl is getting tired of reading those complaints then he needs to remember that he's the one responsible for those complaints, and he's the one that can make them stop by fulfilling his customers demands."

Obviously I've been given a heap of responsibility to drive the ship and at no point have I ever said that we're not going to make any more KDF content. In fact, quite the contrary I've said that I'm committed to making the KDF faction get to a place where we feel it has a solid PVE experience. I've said we're not there yet. I've said that it is going to take time. I've asked for patience.

So yeah - I get a little tired of the "are we there yet" comments when clearly we aren't.

I feel as though your entire point is "I'm going to keep asking are we there yet until we are there". Fine. But I get tired of hearing it sometimes and it certainly doesn't make the car go any faster. I feel you are half-right in that I can fulfill customer _demands_ by continuing to improve the KDF... but I certainly can't stop you from complaining no matter how hard I try.... so as a human being... I think its fair to say... I'm a bit tired of "Are we there yet?" comments. I can understand them - but I'm here to tell you - they aren't making anything go any faster. It's just complaining for the sake of complaining at this point.

Btw... the answer is NO - we aren't there yet. But we're on our way - we're on the right road and we're cruising along at top speed.

If you don't like the speed at which the car is moving - your options are to jump out or watch the DVD in the back seat and eat some cheerios.

From Gozer:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=187
" 3. We have added content to the KDF Faction since launch, however the majority of STO players only play Federation characters and there is only so much we can do every day. We will continue to add KDF content to the game. If it's not fast enough for some people, well... there really isn't much we can do about that.. "

Continuation of that From Dstahl:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=223
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Darren, no one is denying that the plans changed. However, Gozer is claiming in his last post that the plan for Klingons to have full PvE content NEVER EXISTED in the first place, and we have video proof that is wrong. Of course the plans changed. But that doesnt mean they NEVER EXISTED as Gozer is claiming. "

No disrespect to Gozer, but he is presenting his view and perception of events and was either not aware of or privvy to discussions at executive levels.

To set the record straight (de'ja vu) - I think I put it best in a recent interview when I said we pretty much promised anything and everything when it came to Klingon play prior to launch and that if you really went and dug up information from emails and discussions and interviews - it wouldn't surprise me in the least what you'd find in terms of the KDF Faction.

Prior to launch, Craig did attempt to start communicating that KDF at launch was going to be PVP only - and in Beta that is exactly what it was.


It was during Beta that Jack started to talk about "if the players want KDF PVE - we'll listen" - but at that late stage in the game, there was not much the development team can do to instantly come up with 30 hours of KDF PVE content compared to what was made for the Fed side.

You'll notice that as early as Season 1 we started to address this and every release since has been adding KDF PVE content or at the very least content playable by any faction.

Does the KDF have a long ways to go before it is comparable to the Feds? yes.

Will they ever have as much PVE content as the Feds? Not in the short term.

Are we going to stop everything we are doing and only work on the KDF? nope.


Am I committed to seeing a healthy KDF faction on par with the FED faction? 100% yes.

That is the situation that I've been reiterating (and I do mean reiterating - I say all of this quite frequently) since I took the Executive Producer helm in July.

Can that make up for all the nonesense that was said pre-launch? Nope.

It is what it is and we are working on making it better every single day.

Gozer did do the remastered episode because it was on his schedule to do it now. Gozer doesn't know why it is on his schedule now... only that it is because I put it there.

So if you want to blame anyone for Remastered Azura before anything else blame me.

But I think my track record of supporting KDF has been very clear. Every update the KDF improves. It will continue to do so on my watch.

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Every Expansion Content Either in Costumes, Ships, Starbase Content, Inclusion in featured Episodes, Has Occured as he said it would. He Also said it would NOT be Quick He also Said KDF would NOT take priority. So Cryptic HAS stated It's Intentions Multiple Times. The Gentleman Above who Posted the STOWIKI KDF Strong Pushed Page. Gives ALOT of Information if you Exactly Want to see what was Said. What was Stated as to speed, and if the Faction would take a priority. So Again, Cryptic Has Stated What was going on. The KDF Fan base as usual Chooses to ignore Launch based Promises, notification of what was being launched into the Closed Beta and what was being Stated by Developers And there attitudes During it straight up to where we Are Now. I am not argueing For the Sake of Argueing. I am Stating Facts, Proof and Concise Facts of Launch Date For Sale delivery. You may of only played since before January but Apparently in all your Ranting you have NOT read Everything out there. Hopefully These Quotes will help you and maybe you should Read the Pro-KDF STOwiki Article. Sure you will find more things that Piss you Off. But you will Also See On Date of Subscription It Was NOT promised Yet Everyone Subscribed Anyway Because they ASSUMED it would be. The people That Played The Beta seen what they were Subbing To. The Developer Team straight up to the Top Stated what was being Packaged. If you Feel Fooled For Buying a Lifetime then it is because you Did not Read what you were purchasing And that is Your Fault for being Ill-Informed and Not taking the Responsibility to research what you were subscribing To prior to Purchase. This Coming From a Life Time Member who spend 299 on his Sub and did not purchase it During a Sale. This Coming From a member who has MORE KDF Characters Then Federation Characters. This Coming from a Player Who Seen what was going on and Made a Decision to Purchase My Sub at Full priced Based on a well Informed mindset.
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12-10-2012, 05:16 PM
darius, are you typing from an iPad or mobile device? The wall-o-text and the capitalizing of nearly every word make your responses difficult to read.

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