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Captain
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# 51
12-10-2012, 05:09 PM
For one we don't know what it costs for them for the ships. You have to pay the people to create it. Then to test it. I'm sure license fees are involved to say its OK to make. That has to be true as they told in the past they need it. As most stuff you have to license for copyright. To see how they lost $ first you need to know the actual cost for it. And that we don't know.
Captain
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# 52
12-10-2012, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by xantris View Post
Businesses don't operate purely on a red/green margin when considering money lost. If you use one of your employees time to make a ship that sells for a $10,000 profit, when they could have used the same amount of time to design a ship that sells for $40,000 profit; that's a loss of $30,000.
I think this is what Mr Stahl is talking about - it's called "opportunity cost"

what would you have got if you had devoted the resources to something else - ie Fed shinnies
Rihannsu
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# 53
12-10-2012, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
The Federation side might be full of complete saps willing to throw away money at any shiny toy that's presented to them, but the KDF tends to have a bit more in the way of intelligent consumers.
Heh, no.

There is simply more cannon ships on Starfleet side there is on KDF side, it makes it easier to sell ships like the Excelsior and the Defiant since people want to fly those ships.

The Klingon is pretty much down to B'rel, K't'inga, Vor'cha and Negh'Var and everything else is pretty much Cryptic's own creation as you be hard pressed to find cannon Klingon ships besides the ones I listed.

Its not as if the KDF is more "intelligent consumers" since its not as if I did not read people asking for T5 versions of the Vor'cha and Negh'Var since the KDF had no T5 Battlecruisers until the Bortasqu' come about, people care about the looks of the ship as much as performance.

And that is the problem, Cryptic decided to not offer T5 versions of cannon Klingon ships and then put then on the Fleet system, also they have a hard time selling non-Klingon ships because being a non-Klingon on the KDF is a hilarious experience since EVERYONE acts like a Klingon, Federation kinda have that problem (emotional Vulcans BOs) but is lesser since its more neutral and expected from Starfleet, I even deleted my first KDF character because I could not stand the fact no matter what I was, I was a Klingon.
Lt. Commander
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# 54
12-10-2012, 06:05 PM
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There is simply more cannon ships on Starfleet side there is on KDF side
But they aren't even really giving people the canon ships they want. At least not in a timely fashion. It took almost 3 years for an honest-to-god tier 5 Akira. Took almost 3 years for a Steamrunner--and while the model's good, it looks like it was textured by a 10-year-old in MS Paint and has several problems that a $25.00 ship shouldn't have. We still don't have an Ambassador, still don't have any of the Wolf 359 kitbashes--and these are canon ships that people have asked for.

Instead, they keep putting out god-awful tier 5 whales that look horrible, because they can charge someone $20.00 for each of them. And then $5.00 more if they want the fleet version too.

Instead, they could be making more mid-range ships to sell at lower prices, but nah..
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# 55
12-10-2012, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
I'm not even sure what the last c-store ship for KDF was, but as I wouldn't be caught dead in those tanks from the c-store (bortask-whatever), and the rest are...not end game except the BoP (which isn't my cup of tea either).

The fleet ships are the first c-store (kinda) ships that I've seen since I started playing in march, and those are ALL overpriced because of the botched discount system cryptic setup for the upgrade modules. The ONLY ship I've purchased from the c-store was the fighter as it's the only one I can use.

They lost money because they didn't consider not every KDF player wants to fly a TANK or BoP.
The Bortasqu was the last c store ship the KDF got, the only ships the KDF have got in more than a year have been equivalent ships. Meaning when we got something the Feds got something too, and only thing in sight for the KDF in the future is the 3rd anniversary ship which feds will get a version too.
Lt. Commander
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# 56
12-10-2012, 08:34 PM
Speaking of..

We're pretty sure the 3rd anniversary ship for the Feds is going to be the Ambassador.

What's the 3rd anniversary ship for the Empire going to be? K'Vort?

Probably, since it's just a rescaled B'Rel without moving wings. It'd take no effort..
Rihannsu
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# 57
12-10-2012, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wunjee View Post
Instead, they keep putting out god-awful tier 5 whales that look horrible, because they can charge someone $20.00 for each of them. And then $5.00 more if they want the fleet version too.
KDF never had a Lt. General battlecruiser until the Bortas and until the Odyssey all VA Fed whales were cannon ships (all VA ships were until the Odyssey and a lot of T5 ships were also Fed cannon).

Problem is people seem to only be willing to shell out for a ship if its T5, take the Excelsior that should never been T5 but T4 and only reason I can see why it was T5 is because people wanted to fly then at end game so it got bump at the T5 Soverign level but better.

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Instead, they could be making more mid-range ships to sell at lower prices, but nah..
Problem is people look at ships under T5 and say "whats the console" because its not a end game ship, there is also no discount on then so they are only good for costumes and/or consoles.



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What's the 3rd anniversary ship for the Empire going to be? K'Vort?

Probably, since it's just a rescaled B'Rel without moving wings. It'd take no effort..
Well that and because the K'Vort was in Yesterday's Enterprise, besides you DONT want a cannon KDF ship? because that is about whats left, variations of the few main KDF ships that I listed.

Besides a Battlecruiser with the armor/hull/weapons specs of the Breen ship would be more that welcomed by me.
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# 58
12-10-2012, 09:39 PM
The words "Ferasan Heavy Escort Carrier" would solve all of their problems.
Rihannsu
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# 59
12-10-2012, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by futurepastnow View Post
The words "Ferasan Heavy Escort Carrier" would solve all of their problems.
Actually I think the Ferasan could have a ship similar to the Vesta as a raiding ship, a single hangar science/cruser hybrid with a Tac layout instead of a Eng one.

Makes sense, they dont have a inate cloak so they would need to mask Energy signature and also use hold/disabling skills to capture ships.
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# 60
12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Actually I think the Ferasan could have a ship similar to the Vesta as a raiding ship, a single hangar science/cruser hybrid with a Tac layout instead of a Eng one.

Makes sense, they dont have a inate cloak so they would need to mask Energy signature and also use hold/disabling skills to capture ships.
If Caitians are Vulcans, Ferasans are basically Romulans, so I think an Armitage-alike would be a good fit. Besides, Klink carriers have all been fairly large ships with a science bias, so a "BoP/Raptor with a Hangar" would be a cool change of pace.

For fairness' sake the pet selection would have to be restricted. No BoPs launching BoPs. Maybe just limiting it to Siphon Drones or Shield Repair shuttles, or maybe having a custom "Ferasan Stalker Fighter" or similar.

Last edited by unangbangkay; 12-10-2012 at 11:26 PM.
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