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Captain
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# 61
12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
No only an idiot would spend that much on the ship without knowing before hand if you had the skill and are specced to pilot a ship with low manuverability.

For those of us who can pilot it with no problem we are not idiots for giving up manuverability for being able to use the highest dps cruiser in game.
at this point, I'd like to see some combat logs from PvP on that ship, if you don't mind, and maybe some confirmed kill-counts directed at non-borg opposition, preferably the kind that actually is capable of thinking rather than following a preset pattern of movement.

Reason being, your position is counter-intuitive for those of us whom have used both Cruisers of the slow variety, and any(or every) thing besides. High potential DPS means nothing if you can't get the guns to bear, which is the primary problem the rest of us have believeing there is a special 'superior skill' to using a ship that handles like a city bus with flat tyres and bad brakes.

ESPECIALLY one whose DPS is reliant on a main weapon that has a narrow firing arc and a long cooldown.

now, maybe just sharing your build with the panel would be enough-someone else could hop on Tribble and run a comparison test...
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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 62
12-11-2012, 12:15 AM
I assumed he was refering to the fleet varient ships, not the KDF Zen store which there's been next to nothing released.

There were 2 problems w/the fleet varient's:

1. The cost

2. The poor product

Seriously who would pay 2k zen or w/e 4 ship units cost for just 1 xtra Tac console and slight shield/hp buff per toon? Or otherthan novelty pay for 16k hull raider?

With the exception of the Vet ship (not a fleet/zen ship) the destroyers while fun to play, don't fit the hit and run raider style. Also, the boff/console layouts were generally a bit lacking imo.

They've added a fleet b'rel, but that's T5 and the xtra console is in the worst slot. It should have been a 4th sci.

The Fleet Torkhat is imo the best Fleet ship option.

The Vet ship is a nice destroyer raider hybrid (imo better than what the vast majority of the fleet ship options are). But, not sure I'd count on additional lifers sales to get it.

The Fleet Somraw seems like an ok option, but it lacks the movement and 5th tac console of the Fed Escorts. Tbh, I'd rather fly the Fleet Torkaht.

The Fleet Sci ships lack the movement needed to stay w/a hit and run playstyle team and are lacking compared to the many Fed options.
Captain
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# 63
12-11-2012, 02:55 AM
the question has been asked to the portion of the community most likely to know the answer.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 64
12-11-2012, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
at this point, I'd like to see some combat logs from PvP on that ship, if you don't mind, and maybe some confirmed kill-counts directed at non-borg opposition, preferably the kind that actually is capable of thinking rather than following a preset pattern of movement.

Reason being, your position is counter-intuitive for those of us whom have used both Cruisers of the slow variety, and any(or every) thing besides. High potential DPS means nothing if you can't get the guns to bear, which is the primary problem the rest of us have believeing there is a special 'superior skill' to using a ship that handles like a city bus with flat tyres and bad brakes.

ESPECIALLY one whose DPS is reliant on a main weapon that has a narrow firing arc and a long cooldown.

now, maybe just sharing your build with the panel would be enough-someone else could hop on Tribble and run a comparison test...
It can be used in PVP, i use it everyday for it, and this "superior skill" you speak of is called the right abilities and tactics. All in all, my ship alone has killed more than 30 individual players. And i've only had it for a few weeks. It can do DPS just as well as any vor'cha i've seen.
And we could put our builds up, but we've put enough work into them thatat least i have no intentions of doing so, you want to test it, fight against it. You'll find out then. Until then, you know nothing to judge how we use our ships
Lt. Commander
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# 65
12-11-2012, 10:59 AM
I agree, that most people who go Klingon want something different form the Fed ships, or they'd still be flying Fed. The Bortas'qu fills a gap, don't get me wrong, but it's not one that urgently needed filling. I can't think of anything it can do that either of the fleet Vor'cha or Negh'var could do better either.

For me personally, after having good handling cruisers, going to one that handles like a drunk pig in treacle is not my idea of a good time.

As for "lost money on", I think Cryptic is pulling a bit of a cop-out here. I'd love to see a Bird of Prey equivalent to the Vesta though, a nice big bird, with 3 flavours, and lots of pew-pew. I'd buy that. If only there were some much requested BoP... like a K'vort or something...
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# 66
12-11-2012, 11:15 AM
I see no surprise here.

Federation iconic ship: Cruiser. Gobs of money made


Klingon iconic ship: Bird of Prey. Gobs of money lost when they build a cruiser instead.


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# 67
12-11-2012, 11:55 AM
I thought the main reason the Bortasqu ost money is because all the time leading up to its release we were saying how much we loved it as it had plenty of potential firepower and a pretty neat ability to tank.

Just before it got released however they nerfed its turn even more, gimped its cloak and moved all shield defenses onto Sci slots which the Bortas is severely crippled on. Basically they killed it for us just prior to release.

I wouldnt have a Bortas pack now if it was given away as a bonus to buying a Hydrospray.
Captain
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# 68
12-11-2012, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jnohd View Post
I see no surprise here.

Federation iconic ship: Cruiser. Gobs of money made


Klingon iconic ship: Bird of Prey. Gobs of money lost when they build a cruiser instead.


Wait, what ?

BoP is iconic ?
IF the D7 wasn't such a DOG more would be flying it (the fleet k'tinga is a MAJOR move in the right direction)
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Lt. Commander
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# 69
12-11-2012, 01:23 PM
I'm not convinced the Bortasq is really the ship they lost money with. I see plenty of them around and shortly after release Qonos orbit was filled with them.

My money would be on some fleet ships. Cheap rehashes and all that, but do you guys know anybody flying a fleet raptor or BoP ? I just know two or three people getting a fleet Raptor and just one going for the fugly skeleton BoP.

Fleet Kar'fi would be in high demand imho, but...

Fleet B'rel is crap, too. While I love the B'rel retrofit the fleet B'rel is underwhelming. I may go for it anyway, for that bit more HP, but wtf should I do with the additional engineering slot ? Maybe a universal console will find it's way int there, but that's it.
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# 70
12-11-2012, 01:36 PM
The BoP could be called 'iconic' because that's pretty much all we ever saw in TNG and later. There were exceptions, but not many of them.

I'd agree that the D7 is also an 'iconic' ship. They've been around a lot longer, and strongly identified with long before we ever saw a BoP. But now that I've flown BoP's I have a hard time wanting to fly a battlecruiser.

I'd have to agree with the Bortasq' not being a ship I'd want to fly, let alone buy. I have one of the freebies and I've never bothered to unpack it after I'd test flown one and saw all of the stats. On the other hand, I was sorely tempted to buy an Oddy pack even though the inertia makes it a beast to pilot. But, for now, I'm sticking with my free Odyssey.
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