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# 51
12-16-2012, 03:16 PM
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Hit the nail on the head there.

When it all boils down to it, the Harriman part of the 'Generations' story suffered from 'James T. Kirk' syndrome. It happened numerous times in trek - three obvious examples:

STV: We were supposed to believe that Starfleet thought it better to field an almost inoperable Starship simply because Captain Kirk was in Command. We were therefore expected to believe that there were no other ships that could've dealt with it.

STVI: The Excelsior shows up during the battle between the Enterprise-A and General Chang's BOP, but they couldn't possibly have Sulu come to Kirk's rescue, and Kirk HAS to be the one to 'save the day' so we end up with Sulu saying "Now they've got something else to shoot at" and the Excelsior simply sitting there and getting shot at.

STVII: Kirk makes the modifications to the Enterprise-B deflector and saves the day. And were were supposed to ignore the fact that he wasn't an engineer and that the Enterprise-B had at least one officer aboard (Scotty) who could've done the job better and faster, not to mention that there MUST have been engineers in the ship's engineering section, which would be closer to the deflector control room than the bridge.
in STV: yes they fielded an aging ship, the mission involved was of a political hostage
situation not a ship to ship confrontation. therefor simply load the vessel with negotiators and assualt squads. doesnt require a top of the line cruiser for personnel transport.

STVI: no argument there, sulu was in command of the excel, federations newest design they should have had a sensors officer detect the bop since klingon cloaking is less effective than romulan models.

STVII: Ent-B was initially let out to do a lap around the solar system, since it was essentially intended to only be an impulse engines test. command had no need to equip it with even a proper skeleton crew or a decent weapons loadout, hence the tuesday jokes.(nevermind how in hell theres no fully equipped ships in the heart of federation space within range.) As for kirk i wanna know how in the frak did he reconfigure a deflector dish on an excel retrofit when (A) hes not an engineer. (B) hes been retired so hes fallen behind on official starfleet training. thats like telling a retired former captain of the real enterprise nuclear carrier to come onboard the new ford class..send it out to sea..get called for a rescue mission (with no coast gaurd on duty) then have a cascade series of technical failures go down and he offers to help get the reactor starting again..

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# 52
12-16-2012, 03:25 PM
Beacuse Deflector design is pretty straight foward and prob hasent changed much since the Enterprise A's time. Or Scotty told him what he needed to do, and any experienced officer would be knowlageable in basic starship design and operations.
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# 53
12-16-2012, 11:32 PM
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Beacuse Deflector design is pretty straight foward and prob hasent changed much since the Enterprise A's time. Or Scotty told him what he needed to do, and any experienced officer would be knowlageable in basic starship design and operations.
So why didn't Scotty go and reconfigure it himself?


By the way, if you think those movie examples are bad, try reading Shatners novels. They're not too bad, but the Mary sue-ish levels Kirk gets raised to can be difficult to stomach. For example, he has to avenge Sarek's death (it turns out he was murdered) because he's a much better son than Spock was, due to them mind melding once when Kirk was a kid (apparently it's a logical Vulcan custom for sons to avenge their fathers)
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# 54
12-17-2012, 02:38 AM
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So why didn't Scotty go and reconfigure it himself?


By the way, if you think those movie examples are bad, try reading Shatners novels. They're not too bad, but the Mary sue-ish levels Kirk gets raised to can be difficult to stomach. For example, he has to avenge Sarek's death (it turns out he was murdered) because he's a much better son than Spock was, due to them mind melding once when Kirk was a kid (apparently it's a logical Vulcan custom for sons to avenge their fathers)



Same reason Kirk didn't take the Captain's chair. He wanted to be useful, and not feel old anymore (the deleted skydiving scene explains this). He wanted Scotty to keep the ship together, since he was the most experienced Engineer there, and has command experience, so if something happened with the ribbon, Scotty could work out some fancy pants way to free the ship.



Which novels did that Sarek thing take place in? I've read the first 6, and don't remember any of that.
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# 55
12-17-2012, 03:27 AM
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The fate of the Enterprise A was never known and will never be much could be said about B.I would assume that the Enterprise A is at the sitting the Presidio.Starfleet wanted to retire this ship as they wanted to do with the one Kirk stold and destroyed.It is just the replacement as Starfleet wanted to to use it as a museum for all and what it has done and now Voyager sits beside it.
Actually, there is some expanded canon written by none other than William Shatner himself:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Ashes_of_Eden

Both the book and the comic adaption tell the story of Kirk and his crew between ST VI and ST VII - and of course what happened to the Enterprise-A. In short: she gets destroyed in battle, defending a planet against an ambitious Starfleet traitor.
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# 56
12-17-2012, 05:53 AM
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Actually, there is some expanded canon written by none other than William Shatner himself:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Ashes_of_Eden

Both the book and the comic adaption tell the story of Kirk and his crew between ST VI and ST VII - and of course what happened to the Enterprise-A. In short: she gets destroyed in battle, defending a planet against an ambitious Starfleet traitor.
Ah, but the Shatnerverse is considered an alternate timeline.

Whilst the Shatnerverse books make a fairly good read if not a little silly; Kirk may as well be a Q considering that he is written as if he is some kind of deity (which is hardly surprising considering Shatner's input into said books).

Anyway, as I said, it's considered an alternate timeline, and one that is ignored by every other author outside of the Reeves-Stevens/Shatner partnership. It is therefore safe to say the timelines that the books (destiny series etc) and STO follows Kirk remains dead and the Enterprise-A is either in the fleet museum or store somewhere*

* It's been discussed/speculated over the years that the wreck of the Consitution class seen in 'Best of Both Worlds pt2' could've been the Enterprise-A, but this remains little more than speculation with absolutely nothing to corroborate it.
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# 57
12-17-2012, 06:03 AM
Enterprise B soooo what about her.

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# 58
12-21-2012, 06:39 PM
The Star trek Destiny Trilogy should have been made into Movies that would have saved the franchise. They were so good.
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