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Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Well they didn't listen to us when I talked about Tric Mines and Subsystem repair on humans for KDF and Fed being necessary fix to combat viral doffs.

Well now I'm here to talk about the tier 4 Omega reputation passive buff. A science ship is averaging 1600 shields every 6 seconds, 1400 for a cruiser every 6 seconds, and 1200 for an escort every 6 seconds. Correct me if I am wrong on these numbers, but I know they're close nonetheless.

I have been closely recording the heals being administered by this passive. It is effectively healing at a rate of 33% of which the broken Jem Hadar shields were healing when they were broken in junction with the shield distribution doffs. Or in better terms, a player gets an Emergency Power to Shields 1 every 6 seconds. For a cruiser that's 14,000 shields per minute, which mostly exceeds the usual cap these days as it is. Not to mention all their all other heals from team mates and their own + other passives. A player can administer 20,000 + shields to themselves.

I kind of knew this when I first took a glimpse at the passive. However I refrained from saying anything because I was reamed and screamed at when my feed back was called confetti by Borticus. I had pre-emptively began a thread about the new Viral and Jam Sensor doffs being OP before they came out. So this time I waited until this stuff was being used rampantly in the community. I was right then, and I am right again.

Please don't call this confetti, because this truly is OP just like the other stuff I talked about. Your Dev team can save a lot of time, money and effort when releasing stuff upon testing it with the PvP community.

Here's the other bad part to this situation, these passives can be respec'd through the use of a respec token. Some people aren't able to (I guess another bug), so this may cost people respec tokens and for some a permanent passive that could be nerf'd into something else. Anyway, goes right back to testing this stuff with the community on a regular basis.

That list of fixing continues to grow immensely.

Last edited by paxottoman; 12-11-2012 at 02:58 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
12-11-2012, 02:57 PM
I thought the T4 Romulan passive was a 20% chance to get 10% shield heal when you've been critical hit, and the T4 Omega regen passive was a set amount just under 1k every 6 seconds.

I have my shield skills maxed, so I don't think I can get any higher....unless this passive is affected by Aux?

In which case, my Aux is 39/25.

I'm hitting T4 today, and am still trying to figure out which ability to choose. I'm probably going to hold off on picking an ability until there is more testing.
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Join Date: Dec 2012
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# 3
12-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Here is a video showing the effect of the T4 placate proc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ZX8-mQGq4


Regarding the healing procs: I also felt that they were too powerful when I first saw the stats. Today I could do some tests thanks to some friendly players who had reached T4 rep. The healing is completely overpowered. A tactical escort with the two T4 shield heals and a regular EPtS/TSS/TT escort setup was able to tank the damage of a tactical Jem'hadar ship while standing still. With only TT and shield redistribution in addition to the procs one can almost tank a tactical DPS cruiser.


And of course Cryptic took precautions: Neither of the two heals show up in the combat log as to avoid hard numbers being posted to show just how bad the situation is.
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# 4
12-11-2012, 03:35 PM
I remember talking about this with folks by the water cooler and even then (this was well before people had started the rep track) I knew something was off about that passive. Surely it couldn't be what it seems to be, right?

Well all reports indicate that it's just as bad as it sounds, if not worse. Given how incredibly strong healing is already this is only going to be detrimental for the game, and viable builds and team comps just became a lot narrower.

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# 5
12-11-2012, 03:40 PM
Great ...

Just when I start getting back into PvP, this horse**** happens.

Why can't these damn passives just be PvE nonsense instead?

Leave our game alone.


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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 6
12-11-2012, 03:50 PM
wait wait....

every 6 seconds all facings?

holy &^%$tards.

edit: this has to be the numeric value split between facings.

no one is that stoopid to do that. no way. even still, thats insane shield regen.
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# 7
12-11-2012, 03:54 PM
It was to no suprise that these things would happen. Was just a matter of time.
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# 8
12-11-2012, 04:04 PM
I guess this is their way of tossing a bone to those who hate subnuke doffs?


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# 9
12-11-2012, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mancom View Post
Here is a video showing the effect of the T4 placate proc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ZX8-mQGq4


Regarding the healing procs: I also felt that they were too powerful when I first saw the stats. Today I could do some tests thanks to some friendly players who had reached T4 rep. The healing is completely overpowered. A tactical escort with the two T4 shield heals and a regular EPtS/TSS/TT escort setup was able to tank the damage of a tactical Jem'hadar ship while standing still. With only TT and shield redistribution in addition to the procs one can almost tank a tactical DPS cruiser.


And of course Cryptic took precautions: Neither of the two heals show up in the combat log as to avoid hard numbers being posted to show just how bad the situation is.
Thanks for the video. I recall Borticus saying that all of the T4 abilities had an immunity timer. I guess that's not the case for the placate proc.

As for the Romulan T4 ability, I didn't think the 10% heal was that big a deal. I would think the ~1k shield regen every 6 seconds would be the bigger issue.

Guess I'll wait before choosing an ability to see if there's a balance check given to those abilities.

Last edited by shookyang; 12-11-2012 at 04:12 PM.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 10
12-11-2012, 05:09 PM
that video, wow. both look terrible. guess what occurs at an all time high currently? crits! guess what sets these passives off? crits! on my maxed out for crit character, against npcs i seem to crit more often then not, and in pvp i see 5 in a row all the time. that character is about to go from my most deadly to my least effective if my crits start working against me so severely.

or i suppose i could be a truly terrible person and take the placate passive. i already hate it from the KHG shield, its a player debuff not a ship debuff, and now its going to be twice as wide spread. lets min max for the hell of it shall we? KHG shield, the pasive, and jam with its doff on top. become un-target-able, un-dual-able.

for the shield passive well, might as well strap on the borg shield for a 3 set bonus, hitpoints are an irrelevant thing if you have rsp, bfi doffs, epts, tss, 3 part borg, and the new shield passive all regrowing your shields faster then they can be damaged.

ive already seen healer cruisers with truly impenetrable shields running around, admitting that it became so once they got to tier 4.

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Originally Posted by mancom View Post
And of course Cryptic took precautions: Neither of the two heals show up in the combat log as to avoid hard numbers being posted to show just how bad the situation is.
now that is BS, the borg set heals show up. i was looking forward to parcing and seeing an extra ~25% shield heals from this, if i get it. i mean i expect at least that.
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