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# 21
12-13-2012, 03:29 PM
Yes it is comming, and i dont care, i dont want to fly an andorian cruiser.
I want to fly a federation cruiser, and a special one, a galaxy x.
There is only 1 ship that i like to fly because i found him very biewtiful, very badass,it the breen ship, and i will have it, and no one will tell me that i am overpowered because i have 13degree turn rate and good bo tactical layout. They can't told me that, it cryptic who design it, they never done mistake, it is functioning as intended!
But you know, i anderstand why cryptic made exploration cruiser and dreadnought cruiser to be such bad ship, because every star trek fan would have only aquired this ship.
Just look outside esd, how many jhon luc picard and uss anterprice you see?
Bad business for cryptic they wouldn't have sell many ship!
Ans it a good move too, how many player have buy the ship and then let it takes dust to buy an other more efficient ship?
So, yeah, everything is perfect in the world of perfect world!
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# 22
12-13-2012, 03:45 PM
A few things.

1) The Odyssey doesn't have a base turn of 6, it's base turn is 5

2) My cruisers turn just fine thanks. They aren't meant to move around much, after all, they do specialize in tanking, and tanking doesn't require much movement.

3) I agree with a ton of other posts here. If you want a nimble cruiser-ish ship, just fly the Chel'gret or get a KDF battlecruiser. And for anyone who says "Q.Q I want my failnaught to be as nimble as a Vor'cha" too bloody bad. Just fly the Vor'cha.

You cannot ask for a buff to fed cruisers without also buffing KDF battlecruisers. I personally think they all could probably get a +1 turn-rate increase and be ok. But for the most part, they are fine as is. You just gotta build around their strengths and weaknesses.

I'll save time for other posters and just say you can't have your god cruiser, so stop asking.
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# 23
12-13-2012, 03:54 PM
I agree completely that the newer line of ships such as the breen ship having the hull of a cruiser while functioning as an escort makes it way OP. I am in a regent and personally have no problem broadsiding enemies and the wide angle torp launcher is real good for that, but there is still the problem that the breen ship makes all other cruisers pointless; an engineer could make it hard to kill with their class heals and buffs, therefore they are doing the damage of an escort with the hull of a cruiser and the heals/buffs of an engineer, defeating the purpose of all other cruisers, unless you want a heal boat which outside of pvp is kinda useless.

Now a good reason for cruisers to have better turn rate other than to balance things, is that with the new omega and romulan torps having a 90 degree arc they are near useless on a cruiser since you by the time you turn to use it and then turn back to broadsiding with beams you will probably lose dps and get tired of having to constantly turn to use them. I am perfectly aware that the wide angle quantum torp was meant for this and works great, but why should cruisers lose out on 2 new weapons (and the set bonuses that go with them) that you work so hard to get? I got the omega torp 2 days ago and feel a mix of sadness that I can't effectively use my new weapon and straight up anger.

So here is the solution: make the romulan and omega torps wide angle too (they really should be anyway since they are unique weapons that should be usable to all playstyles), and either increase current cruiser turn rate or lower the breen ship's turn rate.

I do plan to get the breen ship, but I love the starfleet feel of the regent and its fun to broadside with beams, so why should I and others lose out for trying to get the greatest joy from my favorite game?
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# 24
12-13-2012, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
...... what do you think will happen when you fight against the new Chal Grett Cruiser with its 13 point base turn rate, Commander and LT Commander Tac BOFF slots, and console slots of an escort? Your broadsiding won't do crap to a ship like that.
What will happen? What will we do? The answer is simple:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7rOUSvYM8


No, seriously. I can only imagine this is their way of introducing the next tier of ship. Like the free Ody was the introduction to fleet ships the breen not-a-cruiser is the way they introduce the next tier that will come after fleet ships. Not "technically" more powerful but sporting boff layouts and weapon configs that were kept separate before. They need to release new things for us to buy not upgrade things we've already paid. Personally I dislike it as much as anyone but I cannot imagine why else they would release what is in essence a giant escort in a the guise of a cruiser. It even has a Tac CMDR station.


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.........Shame that's how Cryptic went about trying to balance KDF ships against Fed ships, eh?
That's actually their philosophy overall in respect to dealing with the KDF. They get better consoles and better Dil sources. I think its a poor way of handling it that only fosters resentment and bitterness.
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# 25
12-13-2012, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
A few things.
I'll save time for other posters and just say you can't have your god cruiser, so stop asking.
The breen ship is a god cruiser if used correctly, so you are right that we should stop asking since they already gave it to us, but that also makes you wrong since you said we can't have it.

Did you even read the original post? We aren't asking for god cruisers we are asking for balance.
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# 26
12-13-2012, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by krusso10 View Post
The breen ship is a god cruiser if used correctly, so you are right that we should stop asking since they already gave it to us, but that also makes you wrong since you said we can't have it.

Did you even read the original post? We aren't asking for god cruisers we are asking for balance.
I did read the original post. And if you look carefully, I have posted a number of my own posts on cruisers. So please, don't even try it with me.

It's very simple. Cruisers are fine as is. They tank and heal pretty well, provided you know how to build them. I will agree that their turn rate is annoyingly low, but you know what, you can get around that pretty easily if you use the right ships and the right consoles.

So this is a L2P issue, nothing more.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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# 27
12-13-2012, 04:13 PM
A few things too

1) the odyssey DAES have 6 degree base turn rate.
Check the cstore information or stowiki for that
And dont come here telling me that i should do better with the strenght of my ship when you dont even know the turnrate of your ship.

2) read my post carrefully, and re read it again, where did you see i want a ship as nimble as a negvar? 6+0.5= 6.5 exactly where did you see that as nimble as 8?

3) you find your odyssey to turn good? Fine so do i, just like i said in my precedent post

4) +0.5 degree turn rate= god ship? Is that a joke?

Cruiser are meant to be good tank, yes but some of them can have theeth also, see some klingons cruiser for that, and even the recently exelsior, regent, dkora.
It is not white and black in this world and so it is in this game.
So stop with your false preconsive idea, just like an other forumer told you recently, lately you lost the plot big time my friend.
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# 28
12-13-2012, 04:14 PM
the majority of fed cruiser turn rates are so low that if an average turn rate in game was to be calculated you would have to disregard them as outliers. just look at some of the escorts, like the akira, and some of its very large costume options, with at least the same or more volume then something like a soverign class. even a basic akira has nearly twice the volume of an excelsior. nothing in game makes less sense then some of the arbitrary stats and turn rates ships have.

all fed cruisers need a +2 bump, bortas, and voqov needs a +2 bump, and the nebula and karfi needs a +1 bump. the bug should also have a turn rate no higher then 18 too imo.
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# 29
12-13-2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
I did read the original post. And if you look carefully, I have posted a number of my own posts on cruisers. So please, don't even try it with me.

It's very simple. Cruisers are fine as is. They tank and heal pretty well, provided you know how to build them. I will agree that their turn rate is annoyingly low, but you know what, you can get around that pretty easily if you use the right ships and the right consoles.

So this is a L2P issue, nothing more.
Not trying to start anything, just pointing out that despite what you said there is a major problem here. The breen ship makes all fed cruisers with offensive setups like the regent and excelsior pointless to use, which are both popular ships. A lot of fed players don't like using non-starfleet ships, I know a lot of people that don't want to use the breen ship because its not starfleet. Why should we have to suffer for liking the feel of Star Trek as it was in the shows and movies when the name of the game is Star Trek Online? Kinda defeats the purpose.
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# 30
12-13-2012, 04:35 PM
pfffffffff
THANK YOU dontdrunkimshoot
at last a real pvper who known what he talking about come to support me
thank you, even if i am not as extremist as you ( +2 degree? ) it is good to have people with real experience of the question.
i was asking myself how would that thread would have ending, with some noob trying to teach me how to build a cruiser...
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