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Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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At the start of the year:

Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser (KDF)
Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser (KDF)
Kar'Fi Battle Carrier (KDF)
Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser (KDF)
Vo'quv Carrier (KDF)


Currently:

Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser (KDF)
Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit (KDF)
Fleet Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit (KDF)
Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser (KDF)
Kar'Fi Battle Carrier (KDF)
Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser (KDF)
Vo'quv Carrier (KDF)
Fleet Vo'quv Carrier (KDF)

Caitian Atrox Carrier (Fed)
Heavy Escort Carrier (Fed)
Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (Fed)
Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer (Fed)
Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer (Fed)
Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer (Fed)

Tholian Recluse Carrier (Fed/KDF)

Yep, we've gone from 5 ships to 15 ships this year.

The Dec 2012 Ask Cryptic confirms the next lockbox is going to be a Dominion themed box. Dominion? That seems out of place, no? We're in the midst of the big S7 Romulan push, the talk about the next FE even revolves the Romulans in the sense of the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C stopped war between Starfleet and the KDF.

We're kind of buried in Romulans (and Remans) at the moment - there's also that pesky Tal Shiar and the Iconians story that's playing out. So yeah, outside of the ongoing Borg thing - the Romulan's are where it's at!

Well, except - the Winter Event. A Breen ship. Updated work done on the Breen ships. A console that can be used in any Breen ship (but there's only one, eh?) . . . and tada, you've got the Dominion. What? Say what? Yes, the Breen joined the Dominion - fought along with them and the Cardassians against the Alpha Quadrant.

So will the Dominion lockbox be a Jem Heavy Escort? A Jem Battle Cruiser? Or perhaps - just maybe - just perhaps...

Sarr Theln Warship (Fed/KDF)

...are we looking at another carrier?

Personally, I don't think so. I figure it will either be a Jem Heavy Escort or the Battle Cruiser. That's based on these notes from Tribble Maintenance:

  • All "Phased Polaron Beam Array" items have had their display names changed to "Dominion Polaron Beam Array"
  • All "Phased Polaron Dual Cannon" items have had their display names changed to "Dominion Polaron Dual Cannon"

But still, I could be wrong. What effect do you think the Sarr Theln would have on PvP, eh? Bleth Choas fighters... hrmm, yeah...

edit: Of course, that doesn't mean that the Sarr Theln won't end up an 800 Lobi carrier like the Recluse, eh? Would be kind of ironic for those that Lobi'd there way to a Chel Grett for around 1k Lobi...ahem.
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Last edited by virusdancer; 12-15-2012 at 08:10 AM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
12-15-2012, 08:48 AM
You have no idea how hard I'd be all over the Jem Heavy Escort. Give me the Battleship too, I'm a greedy kid and it's Christmas after all.

I just hope this doesn't rule out a true Dom faction...

EDIT: Also, it's kinda trolling to tell people we're getting a Dom ship and then releasing a Breen one. I mean yeah it's technically true and all, but why phrase it like that and intentionally mislead people lol.

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Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 3
12-15-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
EDIT: Also, it's kinda trolling to tell people we're getting a Dom ship and then releasing a Breen one. I mean yeah it's technically true and all, but why phrase it like that and intentionally mislead people lol.
I was definitely kind of surprised that Stahl said it was going to be a Dominion lockbox. I expected it to be a Breen one - but as folks pointed out in other threads discussing it, it being a Dominion lockbox doesn't rule out a Breen ship.

With the work done on the Breen ships - the note about the Breen console, I really expected the next one to be Breen.

There are a bunch of mixed things they could do with it.

Lobi the Sarr Theln, lockbox either the Heavy Escort or the Battle Cruiser, Lobi additional Breen consoles, lockbox the Nadeon (KDF) and some KDF console (Fed), etc, etc, etc.

The Dominion just seems out of place with where the "endgame" story is. The Breen, not as much - the Breen were supposed to get Romulus. The Romulans have the saying about never turning your back on a Breen, etc, etc, etc. The animosity between the Breen and Romulans is there.

The Dominion? They just want to be left alone - they worked with the Alpha Quadrant to deal with the 2800, etc, etc, etc.

So it's a case of wondering if it's a Dominion lockbox because it can be loaded up with goodies both from the Dominion and Breen. If it were a Breen lockbox, it wouldn't make sense to include Dominion stuff, etc, etc, etc.

Will have to see as more info is given.

I'm not sure that a Heavy Escort or Battle Cruiser would have as much effect on PvP as the Sarr Theln would. Then with the possibility of the cross faction console thing... Feds maybe getting AA or Leech.

Well, I wouldn't be able to make my comment that AA/ASD + toys > ADR + toys. It would just be ADR > er... ADR > er... it would become Carrier/Drainboat Wars.

I'd rather see the Heavy Escort or Battle Cruiser for that reason. At least then, I can still run FvF.
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
Captain
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# 4
12-15-2012, 10:16 AM
I would guess...

Jem Cruiser in the box....

Jem Heavy escort in the lobi store.
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Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 27
# 5
12-18-2012, 01:54 PM
First of all, 4 of those ships are just duplicates due to retrofitting or fleet versions. Also, counting the Vesta ship three times is extremely generous considering they're all just tweaked versions of the science ship with a gimped hangar bay that fires so slowly it's painful. Finally, this seems like a lot of carriers until you realize how many new ships came out in the last year, not just carriers.
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# 6
12-18-2012, 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by egtownsend View Post
First of all, 4 of those ships are just duplicates due to retrofitting or fleet versions. Also, counting the Vesta ship three times is extremely generous considering they're all just tweaked versions of the science ship with a gimped hangar bay that fires so slowly it's painful. Finally, this seems like a lot of carriers until you realize how many new ships came out in the last year, not just carriers.
Count the non-carrier ships before the start of the year.
Count the carrier ships before the start of the year.

Look at the percentage increase of carrier ships.
Look at the percentage increase of non-carrier ships.

Three times as many carriers now as when the year started.
Are there three times as many non-carriers?

Though in the end, I'm not sure what your post has to do with my suggestion that even though carriers have grown significantly in numbers - it's unlikely that the Dominion box will have one (though I'm still wondering if they might not Lobi the Sarr Theln at some point).

Which goes on to question what effect a Jem Heavy Escort (or even the BC, given the move toward Heavy Destroyers/Warships we've seen of late along with carriers) might have on PvP.

It also leaves room for speculation on the potential problems a Sarr Theln could add - were it ever to be added.

So there's all sorts of room to discuss all sorts of things...
...I'm just not sure where saying that variants, refits, retrofits, etc of a ship shouldn't count as a ship while trying to point out the variants, refits, retrofits, etc of non-carrier ships.

But oh well, I just post here - not like I work here...
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
Ensign
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# 7
12-18-2012, 02:45 PM
It seems like you're complaining that there are too many carriers in game. I'm not sure if that's how you meant it, but that's what it seems like.

Way I see it adding carriers to the fed side is a START in terms of balancing the factions in this regard. But even so, just adding more variants and some new ships doesn't make this "carrier wars online". Even if there are more ships in game that are carriers doesn't mean that most, half, even a quarter of the ships available are carriers. Further, most of the ships are zen store ships. And fleet versions have a whole extra layer of stuff to grind up for. Finally, I bet you can count on one hand all the Tier 5 fleet ships you've seen in game.

There are still way more non-carrier ships in game, and I suspect that will be the case for a long, long time (and a good thing).
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# 8
12-18-2012, 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by egtownsend View Post
It seems like you're complaining that there are too many carriers in game. I'm not sure if that's how you meant it, but that's what it seems like.
With the announcement of the Dominion lockbox which caught some folks by surprise (they were expecting a Breen lockbox - but oddly enough, the Breen were part of the Dominion and the way the Ferengi work...they could be Breen ships from back then when they were part of the Dominion)...and the discussion of adding another carrier. Not just any carrier, mind you - but the Sarr Theln.

It was along the lines of the discussion and speculation about what Breen ship would be given out during the Winter Event. Quite a few people joked (or were serious) about the Sarr Theln with the Bleth Choas fighters.

So one thing that's kind of remained a dividing line between Starfleet and KDF carriers has been:

ADR vs. ASD.

Offering a crossfaction Sarr Theln - thus giving the Feds Bleth Choas fighters... well, you're no longer looking as much at that ADR vs. ASD. Then add in whatever the crossfaction console would end up being (likely the Nadeon for KDF and then... AA/Leech/reworked Bio for Fed) - and well... that's where I was seeing the problem.

Earlier in the year I was fighting for the Vesta as a shuttlecarrier. I even acknowledged the possibility of a Heavy Escort Fighter Carrier - some folks brought up variations of the Akira that functioned that way...tada, the Armitage came along. I thought the Kitty Karrier was an April Fool's joke and still laugh whenever I see a Schlong Ship.

Having been in too many fights with pairs of Recluses with the odd Atrox and Armitage thrown in... seeing the Vesta added into that... and then the possibility of the Fed Drain Sarr Theln...?

That's the issue I have with carriers.

But like I said, I think it's more likely that they'll go with the Heavy Escort or even the Battle Cruiser. Doesn't mean the Sarr Theln won't arrive down the road... but for the Dominion lockbox and whatever comes along in the Lobi store... I don't think we're there yet.
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Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
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# 9
12-18-2012, 03:10 PM
Hm, but isn't a carrier, in essence, exactly the ship that makes the engineer captain class work in space like on the ground? Shouldn't it thus be a good thing to have it in the game in as many variations as possible, to give space players the engineer ground experience, or part of it?
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# 10
12-18-2012, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo View Post
Hm, but isn't a carrier, in essence, exactly the ship that makes the engineer captain class work in space like on the ground? Shouldn't it thus be a good thing to have it in the game in as many variations as possible, to give space players the engineer ground experience, or part of it?
Engineer Ground to Space:

Reroute Power to Shields ---> Rotate Shield Frequency. Fine.
Cover Shield ---> buy a Phalanx Science Vessel for the Barrier Field Generator. Not fine.
Support Drone Fabrication ---> use Scorpions, drop deployable Turrets, roll a Sci for Photonic Fleet, or fly a carrier. Not fine.
Orbital Strike ---> almost any generic attack. Not fine.

That's the Engineer... discussing Engineer BOFF abilities would be another discussion. One I've had plenty of times about how things are missing from ground unlike Tac and Sci.

Carriers don't give the Engineer anything... since anybody can fly them. In a sense, it's making the argument that Tacs and Scis should be able to experience the Ground Engineer as much as the Engineer.

They need to address the mess that exists between Engineers on the ground and space (innate abilities as well as BOFF abilities).
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