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# 81
12-21-2012, 02:57 PM
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The ones in "Rascals" were B'rels (Worf called them that on-screen). The ones in the DS9 mirror episodes were unidentified.
You're right, it was K'vort footage that was reused, but the ships were referred to as B'rels.

But they were used and referred in DS9.
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# 82
12-21-2012, 03:08 PM
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The Enterprise always been a Cruiser.

The K'vort is a Battlecruiser on the Alternative timeline because they are named as such but in the prime they are Birds-of-Prey because they are stated as suck on a display.

These are CANNON ships, the Ambassador was a Heavy Cruiser (TNG:Conspiracy) and the K'vort was what I mentioned, Battlecruiser on Alternative and Bird-of-Prey on the Prime ... this is not open to discussion.
Pretty much ALL Star Trek ships except the Defiant, Borg ships, and the Botany Bay were considered to be cruisers.

Cruiser is a generic term for a starship in Trek.

Just because a ship is a cruiser doesn't make it a cruiser in STO terms.

And the Ambassador was never identified as a cruiser, that I can recall.

Of course, that wouldn't stop Cryptic from deciding to call it a Battlecruiser.

And, really, "Ambassador-class Battlecruiser" (or Destroyer) sounds funny but sounds funny in the way that many REAL things do.

Plus, real ambassadors and diplomatic consultants tend to be spies and soldiers providing military training.

Really, the only things we've got pretty solidly is that it's smaller than a Galaxy (how much is debatable because it was filmed out of scale) and, according to design specs, is fast and highly maneuverable.

So far as I know, anything more detailed than that would have to come from Decipher's tabletop game or trading card game.

Cryptic can make a lot up here, CBS-permitting. And I think CBS would permit just about anything with a story explanation here.
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# 83
12-21-2012, 03:23 PM
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But they were used and referred in DS9.
The only BoP I can remember being called K'Vort class was the one in "Penumbra", which didn't appear in the episode except for a blurry computer readout that depicted a Bird-of-Prey. Just because it shares the same basic frame, doesn't mean it can't have some differences from the B'rel.
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# 84
12-21-2012, 03:47 PM
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The only BoP I can remember being called K'Vort class was the one in "Penumbra", which didn't appear in the episode except for a blurry computer readout that depicted a Bird-of-Prey. Just because it shares the same basic frame, doesn't mean it can't have some differences from the B'rel.
But I never said anything about a difference in the hull except my hopes that Cryptic making the K'Vort a bit different from the B'rel model than just supersizing it.

For example in SFC3, the K'Vorts Wings were shown to be locked in the up position (like in TNG), and a longer wing span.

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And the Ambassador was never identified as a cruiser, that I can recall.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Heavy_cruiser
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# 85
12-21-2012, 05:31 PM
the ambassador class should have a base turn rate of 9-10 and have three commanders.

a tactial commanderwith 4 slots
a science commander with 4 slots
a engingeneering comander with 4 slots

at the sacrific of having more officer and come with 2 fighter wing bays considering the ambassador was from a time of increasing threats and mini wars and has 2-3 shuttle bay.

weapons slots
5 forward slots
3 aft slots
would make a good rounded peace maker battle cruiser and keep in the cruiser line just like all the rest
of the enterprises
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# 86
12-21-2012, 05:41 PM
the ambassador class with my weapon specs still fits into sto cruiser weapon slots of 8.

the ambassador class was also starfleet major shuttle and heavey shuttles and fighter wings before the akira class replaced them for totaly shuttle bay size
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# 87
12-21-2012, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by captiandata1 View Post
the ambassador class should have a base turn rate of 9-10 and have three commanders.

a tactial commanderwith 4 slots
a science commander with 4 slots
a engingeneering comander with 4 slots

at the sacrific of having more officer and come with 2 fighter wing bays considering the ambassador was from a time of increasing threats and mini wars and has 2-3 shuttle bay.

weapons slots
5 forward slots
3 aft slots
would make a good rounded peace maker battle cruiser and keep in the cruiser line just like all the rest
of the enterprises
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# 88
12-21-2012, 06:07 PM
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Ambassador, yes, no to the K'Vort. The K'Vort is so unoriginal and I would feel cheated. Enterprise has the D-5 Class or their version of the BOP.

Daydreaming, I would love to see the Qang-class from the IKS Gorkon novels.
No to the Ambassador and yes to the K'Vort and I would say the Maqiue Raider.
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# 89
12-21-2012, 06:30 PM
id be surprised if the ambassador isn't finally the 'science excelsior', as in a sci LTC with COM and LT eng. i just hope the ENS station is also universal.

39000 hit points

1.1 shield mod

7.5 turn

COM eng
LT eng
LTC sci
LT tac
ENS uni

4/3/3 consoles



i also think the kvort will be a rader, just the fattest, slowest one yet. which wouldn't be bad, it would still be quicker then most escorts.

it should have the 4th eng console, not the fleet brel. fleet brel should have a 4th sci.
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# 90
12-21-2012, 06:43 PM
The K'Vort would have more hit points over 2500+ .The Ambassador being a Sci ship which is what the Nebula is.

The Feds need a raider and the Maqiue one is known to be qiute good.
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