Needs to be acount wide too. It's to easy to just switch toons and get in another one.

This is only a good solution for chronic leavers.

I've left in the middle of an STF. I don't like doing it, but sometimes you're playing, and then something comes up (girlfriend/wife comes home early with groceries that need unloading from the car, or you get an emergency phone call that you have to take, or whatever). Life happens.

I think it needs to be cumulative, with a decay every 24 hours. That may not be a perfect solution, but neither is punishing people too much just because real life happens.

I mainly stating that option for rage quitters, which I had previously encounter alot of. I am also advising that the leaver penalty should be given to the first two players that leave the STF.

I know real life happens, I live in it as well - but the option I am presenting is a sensible one - and yes, I too agree it should be an account wide ban.

It may not work for you in particular, unless you are inconvenient every 1/2hr or so, but it is a better compromise. This also should apply for AFKER's - They should be booted out and account banned for 24hrs if not active after a min or so.

The game doesn't really know the difference between a rage quitter and a person whose wife ran in yelling that the electric stove is smoking from underneath.

That's why I said it should be cumulative, with a decay. It's an hour ban at first, and then after 5 or so leaves within a week, start ramping up. Maybe a decay every 24 hours doesn't punish enough for chronic leavers, but I'm just spitballin' here.

This will at least deal with people who have a chronic problem staying in a game, without punishing people too much for just leaving a game because they have no choice.

There's definitely problems with the PVE system on occasion. One time I was in a team, and the leader team queued us for ISE. I ended up in Azure Nebula Rescue.

As far as bans, I think cumulative is good. **** happens sometimes, and for many of us, a game comes fairly low on the list of priorities behind stuff like wife/girlfriend aggro and the kitchen's on fire. It would be nice to have something that separates someone who leaves with good reason from the chronic leavers, and chronic leavers are likely to create a pattern, and that's something that can be filtered out.

I see what you mean, I can work with that - the overall consensus is that it is currently too lenient to be of any use.

cumulative sounds like a decent compromise - only now if the Devs can listen to our suggestions.

Not true there is another way but, I cannot disclose it because as you know exploits are not to be mentioned on the threads.

actually it is for the first 2 to leave after that a mission needs the 3 to complete 3 can complete but alot harder the game classes it as failed when only 3 left and dont get any time pen...
that doesnt mean you should stand still and wait for 2 to leave thats just not how things are meant to be you play the team missions which rely on teams if someone didnt do anything waiting for 2 guys to leave every mission you wanted to do how'd you feel? if wrong queue then just try it worst you can do is get everyone killed :-D

I used to run STF's a lot in Season 6, but use private queues and channels and I think maybe twice in over 500 runs did I ever encounter trolls or griefers who would bail.

It's essentially to stop thieves grabbing gear and when not participating in the missions.

That doesn't stop people from joining an STF and doing nothing whilst everyone else continues the mission. They can easily sit there ready to click 'need' every time it comes up.

It actually hurts the remaining people more than it does the person who quit out.

What happens if two players (out of five) quit cause they don't care? The remaining three players face an impossible task. Do they continue with the STF aimlessly, or do they quit out and face the ban themselves?

Whilst I can appreciate the need for this penalty, I don't think it's fully thought out yet. I've been in two STF's recently where I had no option to quit out. Both times I was left with the one-hour penalty. The first was Hive Onslaught; two players quit out after failing the optional objective ~ myself and the other two players weren't going to finish that, so what are we suppose to do? The second was another STF yesterday (Infected: The Conduit). On this occasion, everyone quit out and I was left there, alone to destroy res-pawing Nanite Spheres along with normal Spheres. It was an impossible task, thus I had to quit out and I was presented with a ban.

They need to address this issue still. Maybe change it so that they remove the one-hour ban, but if any given player quits out of more than... say 5 STF's in a day, they're banned for a whole week. Nobody in their right mind would need to quit 5 STF's in 24 hours.

Edit:
I suppose another option would be a 'quit vote'. If an STF starts with five players and two quit, the remaining three can opt to quit together thus ending the mission, without the penalty. This would be the fairest of options. Just needs to be implemented somehow.