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# 61
12-26-2012, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by stevehale View Post
I don't understand the notion that because something is behind a grind it should be vastly superior to everything else. It should be different, maybe even somewhat better, but it shouldn't be relegating everything else to the trash pile.
It probably comes from well over a decade of PvE focused games and their constant progression of raid content to unlock loot to progress to the next level of raid content > repeat.

Players have long been conditioned (EQ 1 launched in 1999) to this cycle of loot (and advancement) process.



This is the only game however that I've encountered where the power creep and loot power creep continue but the game environment doesn't actually change or add newer and harder raids/content on a mass scale (it has exceptions, but they are completely optional and not specifically tied to progression).


On top of this, this game is "Free to play" but it is effectively "Pay for anything that is not basic".

Payment can come in many forms, actual hard currency for zen, time sinks for dilithium (which effectively have a real world dollar value) and even ECs which can be had through a dilithium to zen to EC conversion process (or just zen to EC process).

You can calculate the real world value, time or hard currency, of nearly anything in this game at this point.


So the sense of entitlement is probably borne out of this as well.

People literally have to pay for starbases*, and a T5 Starbase was roughly calculated to about $500 IIRC (by PWE). It's possible that with the current Dil/Zen rates that it is even more expensive than this.


*Even if you manage to never spend a single zen on your starbase, someone else has. You also most likely had to grind dilithium, ECs and DOFFs for contribution - all of which can be caclulated to represent a monetary investment.




Just a bit of Devil's Advocate to your, most likely, rhetorical questions.


(None of this means I think a shield should push players to 75% resistance with 25 shield power, if that is in fact what is happening.)


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# 62
12-26-2012, 10:02 AM
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If everything in the game worked for 1 week, I'm pretty sure that would signal the end of the world, and do so a whole lot more accurately than the Mayans.
Actually this is slated to happen on a Thursday June 14th, 2063 at 1.47pm.

Everything suddenly just "works" for one day and the stress of it all overloads reality causing a cosmic respawn. See ya at the respawn point.
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# 63
12-26-2012, 10:31 AM
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Actually this is slated to happen on a Thursday June 14th, 2063 at 1.47pm.

Everything suddenly just "works" for one day and the stress of it all overloads reality causing a cosmic respawn. See ya at the respawn point.
Possibly without spamming those damned trico mines, please!
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# 64
12-26-2012, 11:38 AM
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Actually this is slated to happen on a Thursday June 14th, 2063 at 1.47pm.

Everything suddenly just "works" for one day and the stress of it all overloads reality causing a cosmic respawn. See ya at the respawn point.
In that case, I'm off to buy bottled water, dried beans and some chef boyardee. See ya in a bit
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We actually really don't like A2B, but it's a bit of a "third rail" situation. When we have the right fix to it, someday, we'll probably possibly maybe make it.
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# 65
12-26-2012, 03:36 PM
Out of curiosity, how long does the [Adapt] procs last?
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# 66
12-26-2012, 03:37 PM
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In that case, I'm off to buy bottled water, dried beans and some chef boyardee. See ya in a bit
Excellent! I have two Feds whom make thier own beer, a Gun Nut gun collector with enough weapons to arms 3 small SA countries and a whole bunch of medical friends on standby, oh ans about 5 marines < inactive >.*
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# 67
12-27-2012, 03:41 PM
Interesting, 1v1's versus some people just became alot harder after a gear flip :p

Guess im getting outdated!!!!


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# 68
12-27-2012, 03:43 PM
Team play is still largely unaffected since you can only at max have 10 stacks total.
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# 69
12-27-2012, 04:35 PM
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Team play is still largely unaffected since you can only at max have 10 stacks total.
It still gives players the potential to be at max resists without the assistance of BOFF powers or high shield power settings. Basically, it's like shooting at a target who is double-extended, with a TSS thrown in, once the stacks get high enough.
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We actually really don't like A2B, but it's a bit of a "third rail" situation. When we have the right fix to it, someday, we'll probably possibly maybe make it.
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# 70
12-27-2012, 08:03 PM
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Team play is still largely unaffected since you can only at max have 10 stacks total.
team play makes it worse imo, not only is each player self reliant he then has extra heals to spread around. now imagine that times 5.

each player being self reliant and having heals to spare.
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