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# 11
12-24-2012, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
PuGs are destined to be disadvantaged by Premades regardless of how the system is set. Nothing will change that.

Its literaly the difference in definition between a Pick Up Group and a Premade Team.

The PuG has to deal with not being designed specifically to work as a team while the Premade has the advantage of being designed to work as a Team specifically.
but thats one of the major issues with "premades" in this game.

a lot of the time its just a random group of people from the same fleet.

no team set up or anything. just skilled players.

yet they get called a premade because theyre all from the same fleet?

-_-
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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# 12
12-24-2012, 12:37 PM
Zero respect for those teams who take five man teams into the queues but turn down challenges and make excuses for not facing other premades. They mostly know who they are.

Baffles me what they get out of beating up on pugs anyway, I've been there and done that and it just does nothing for me. The poor pugs file in one by one and give up any pretense of teamwork, I don't see where the fun comes into it.

Fortunately it's possible to game the queues with a little bit of attentiveness. No escape, cowards!

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# 13
12-24-2012, 12:41 PM
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but thats one of the major issues with "premades" in this game.

a lot of the time its just a random group of people from the same fleet.

no team set up or anything. just skilled players.

yet they get called a premade because theyre all from the same fleet?

-_-
at least to me, it tends to be pretty obvious when your facing a premade vs a pug made. the difference can be staggering. with a premade, theres clear patterns, and always just enough extends and around 2 escorts that do all the damage work.

pug maids just tend to be bum rushes, minimal heals and organization, and with enough raw skill to rarely be challenged. but if challenged, it can become a well oiled machine, somehow dynamically we all pull together what we have and use it to its maximum effect, usually without a word spoken between us. its then when im having the most fun by far. hey, that also describes most random kdf teams too!
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# 14
12-24-2012, 12:43 PM
All of the really high end sto premades leave sto...

Come back to wish everyone a merry holiday.

Still see pugs whining about premades.

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# 15
12-24-2012, 02:25 PM
TSI are still mostly around. Era came back to his usual outheal and outdamage everyone self.

TRH is still around.


Merc playlist would be fun to mess around in.
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# 16
12-24-2012, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by snoge00f View Post
TSI are still mostly around. Era came back to his usual outheal and outdamage everyone self.

TRH is still around.


Merc playlist would be fun to mess around in.
TSI aren't not really. Most of the infamous crew left to do GW2. (Myself I left for MWO )
TSI is just a pug made group at this point.

TRH is pretty much the only high end fully functioning pvp team left in LOLSTO.
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# 17
12-24-2012, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mavhax View Post
TSI aren't not really. Most of the infamous crew left to do GW2. (Myself I left for MWO )
TSI is just a pug made group at this point.

TRH is pretty much the only high end fully functioning pvp team left in LOLSTO.
hey now, proteus trolls cap and holds and nova core still loses to pugs every now and then, premades are thriving!
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# 18
12-24-2012, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mavhax View Post
TSI aren't not really. Most of the infamous crew left to do GW2. (Myself I left for MWO )
TSI is just a pug made group at this point.

TRH is pretty much the only high end fully functioning pvp team left in LOLSTO.
actually recently some of the prime tsi members have been toying around in sto....

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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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# 19
12-25-2012, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
jesus... not this again.... -_-


the problem with this is, who then would play in the premade games?

seriously?

this would also mean friends cant play with each other unles they randomly get qu'd together or have to face premades.
Other premades with play with premades. Friends could play against other groups of friends. Solo players could still if they so desired join the regular arena and play with these groups.

I'm only advocating giving players the OPTION for a random team mode. You might be surprised the number of players that would give it a try who aren't joining PVP at all right now. Considering they would in general win about as many matches as they lost they might actually find it enjoyable and stick around. That guy with all the premium gear and slick tactics and great skill... on your team about as often as he is against you (4/9 times since you always have to play with yourself

Seems like a win win for everyone, even the hard core premade PVP community.
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# 20
12-25-2012, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
jesus... not this again.... -_-


the problem with this is, who then would play in the premade games?

seriously?

this would also mean friends cant play with each other unles they randomly get qu'd together or have to face premades.
Umm, private queues. That's why they exist. Just disable the ability to make a private queue public, thereby circumventing any measures to disable premade teaming.
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