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# 61
12-30-2012, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mrspidey2 View Post
So, you tried to fly a "cruiser-ish" escort like a science ship.
I can see how that might take some getting used to, so take it from an escort-flying tac: Yes, we get blown up a lot more than other ship archetypes.

Me, I like the Breen ship. Tested it out today and was quite satisfied with killspeed and survivability. Then, after the fifth or so mission, I noticed I had been flying without a powersetting the whole time.
So yeah, definitely packs a punch.


Yeah, I'm not getting the complaint.


I flew it like a tactical vessel and, surprise surprise, I made it through an entire STF with only one death (Caught just a little too much aggro from a gate and I wasn't 100% with my new ability layout).


The Chel Grett is a nice ship, more than worth the effort to get it.
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# 62
12-30-2012, 11:33 PM
Reminds me of the first time I used an Odyssey. Left it on balanced by accident and took it into an ESTF. Did very well. After the battle, I looked at my power settings and laughed for a good 5 minutes. Then set it to attack, took it into the next one, and lo and behold, did spectacularly. This is back in S6 btw.

The Chel'Gret will no doubt be the same. Will take some getting used to, but once you get the hang of it, will be a nasty mofo.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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# 63
12-30-2012, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lordrelentless View Post
First off I'm not using any mines and I don't have anything Boosting mines; so whoever stated this go away I'm not in the mood.
You said that, right here:
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Aft weapons Two Spiral Disrupters (MK Ini) One Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedo MK XI, One Breen Transphasic Torpedo Mine launcher (Mk Ini).
*snip to later on*
BoFF Ability: Ensing Universal: Engineer; Fire At Will 1, Cmndr Tactical: Tactical Team 1, Beam Fire At will III, Target Engines I, Dispersal Pattern Beta III.
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Secondly my setup works just fine with my other ships.
This isn't other ships. When you want to fly a ship, you look at it and see what IT does best. This is a tanky-ish DPS ship, you just didn't BUILD it right. It's like you're building a Chimera to be a healer.

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You telling me that "I'm just bad and I should quit" is utter BS. Now I'm going to be blunt, your points are moot. You'd rather antagonize than actually help. Get off my thread before I report your posts.
We're not antagonizing you, we're pointing things out that are in error. Tough love. If you didn't want it, don't post in the first place. And threatening to "report" us is meaningless, no one has done anything wrong.

As for the other people; thank you for your advice I'll consider it. I don't use Hazard emitters because it doesn't seem to help and is rather gimped as far as I can tell. I originally has a full set array of dual beam antiprotons equipped on the Breen warship but swapped off to my DHC.

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As for my ability to play this game; just because I'm not minmaxing doesn't mean I don't know how to play. Your arrogance and ignorance is astounding. And while you might like the Vesta I stand by my points as to how it is flawed.
I don't minmax either. But look at how I play and you can tell I do things right. The key isn't minmaxing anything, it's knowing how the ship plays and what it can do. I've stood under direct ISE Tactical Cube fire for a good five minutes with my tank because I knew how his ship played, I know how the build I designed worked, and I knew what to expect. You have to know the ship. You can't pop into a ship, throw on some equipment and expect it to do well.

As for the Vesta... hate to break it to you, but the Vesta is more than a little OP. Science ship with cannons, a HANGAR slot for Prophet's sake, AOE heal, stupid-power super-phaser, "I'm immune to torpedoes" shield and an almighty GOD-MODE shield. That ship IS powerful... if you fly it right. Yes, it has its flaws. But a good pilot works AROUND those flaws. Cruisers and carriers have awful turn rates. People still play them, despite that flaw, because what they can do with those ships (and how to lessen the effect of the flaw) outweighs the flaw itself.

Flying a ship in this game is like wooing a woman. You've gotta get to know her, how she works, what she does, what she likes and doesn't like. What you did with the Breen ship is like hiring a fancy French maid, stacking your luggage on her head, and expecting her to make you breakfast without dropping so much as a sock or a crumb.

So, take what we've told you, look at your design and think (instead of "I'm the smartest person on Earth and this must be correct because I say so," no offense but you kinda did come off that way), "What might be wrong with this? What can be changed to make it better?" My recommendation is to go for DPS with your Tac BOffs (Cannons with Rapid Fire and Scatter Volley, Torpedoes with High Yield and Spread) while using your other BOffs to go for durability (HE3 is the second largest hull heal in the game, behind Miracle Worker, think about investing in it).

And always... when reading the STO Forums, take it all with a grain of salt. We're a community. We help each other. Sometimes our WORDING isn't the best... but we usually try to help each other.
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___ |___ _ Fed ____| ____ _KDF __ ____| Rom
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# 64
12-31-2012, 01:25 AM
OP, I laugh at you with scorn. Just ran my Chel'Gret Warship through a KASE, and an ISE, and a CSE. Died 3 times in total. Twice on ISE due to major computer lag (old comp) and some love from the gate, and once in KASE because I wasn't paying attention. All 3 were player error.

As for the ship itself? She performs BEAUTIFULLY. She's a sciency escort with more hull and better shields. Ran her with full disruptors and the Borg set. Good. Freakin. Lord. Took out a cube without losing my shields, and even took on Donatra solo for a good 10 seconds without dying.

So your entire initial statement about this ship being garbage has officially been debunked by testing from another player. Should you wish for confirmation, simply say so, I will meet you in game, we shall do an STF, and you shall see this ship perform as her namesake of "Warship" tells her.

Good day sir.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder. <--- DR proved me wrong!
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# 65
12-31-2012, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lordrelentless View Post
First off I'm not using any mines and I don't have anything Boosting mines; so whoever stated this go away I'm not in the mood. Secondly my setup works just fine with my other ships. You telling me that "I'm just bad and I should quit" is utter BS. Now I'm going to be blunt, your points are moot. You'd rather antagonize than actually help. Get off my thread before I report your posts.

As for the other people; thank you for your advice I'll consider it. I don't use Hazard emitters because it doesn't seem to help and is rather gimped as far as I can tell. I originally has a full set array of dual beam antiprotons equipped on the Breen warship but swapped off to my DHC.

As for my ability to play this game; just because I'm not minmaxing doesn't mean I don't know how to play. Your arrogance and ignorance is astounding. And while you might like the Vesta I stand by my points as to how it is flawed.
Report away. Don't make asinine thread titles blaming a perfectly good ship when you have obvious flaws in your understanding of how to play the game. Next time ask "what am I doing wrong?" and the response will be civil and informative. This is the Internet, if you are going to post like a sensationalist ninny, you better grow a thicker skin.

Last edited by xantris; 12-31-2012 at 02:17 AM.
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# 66
12-31-2012, 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
OP, I laugh at you with scorn. Just ran my Chel'Gret Warship through a KASE, and an ISE, and a CSE. Died 3 times in total. Twice on ISE due to major computer lag (old comp) and some love from the gate, and once in KASE because I wasn't paying attention. All 3 were player error.

As for the ship itself? She performs BEAUTIFULLY. She's a sciency escort with more hull and better shields. Ran her with full disruptors and the Borg set. Good. Freakin. Lord. Took out a cube without losing my shields, and even took on Donatra solo for a good 10 seconds without dying.

So your entire initial statement about this ship being garbage has officially been debunked by testing from another player. Should you wish for confirmation, simply say so, I will meet you in game, we shall do an STF, and you shall see this ship perform as her namesake of "Warship" tells her.

Good day sir.
Yep, the OP is a noob. Proven by his Boff and Weapon layout xD

The ships performs on par with other T4 ships. The maneuvrability with a RCS MKXI purple is awesome for a cruiser. The damage output is ok. Just the hull is a little bit fragile xD So far the ship is a good free ship.

I just don't know if an all energie weapon (4xDHC, 3Turrets, 1xCutting Beam) layout is the best idea. The power drain is rather substantial.
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# 67
12-31-2012, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by luxchristian View Post
Yep, the OP is a noob. Proven by his Boff and Weapon layout xD

The ships performs on par with other T4 ships. The maneuvrability with a RCS MKXI purple is awesome for a cruiser. The damage output is ok. Just the hull is a little bit fragile xD So far the ship is a good free ship.

I just don't know if an all energie weapon (4xDHC, 3Turrets, 1xCutting Beam) layout is the best idea. The power drain is rather substantial.
First off, it's not a cruiser. Secondly, I run an EPtW2 to get around the energy drain. Also if you have an ES1 or ES2, it helps significantly reduce your energy consumption, and it actively buffs your other subsystems as well. I managed to keep 95+ energy constantly with my tac running 4 DHCs and 4 turrets, courtesy of ES2 and EPtW2.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder. <--- DR proved me wrong!
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# 68
12-31-2012, 03:12 AM
every ship is only as bad as its pilot. i remember when GOOD pvp'rs could take a tier 3 ship into a tier 5 arena match and win.
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
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# 69
12-31-2012, 03:20 AM
Flying a spaceship is like swimming.
If you drown, don't blame the water.
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# 70
12-31-2012, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
First off, it's not a cruiser. Secondly, I run an EPtW2 to get around the energy drain. Also if you have an ES1 or ES2, it helps significantly reduce your energy consumption, and it actively buffs your other subsystems as well. I managed to keep 95+ energy constantly with my tac running 4 DHCs and 4 turrets, courtesy of ES2 and EPtW2.
Yeah, it is a warship
For the moment I have 2xEptS1 and AuxtS1 for more survability. As an engi I can manage the drain with my captain powers and a battery.

But I test ES2 tomorrow :-) Thanks for the tip.
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