Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 312
# 11
01-02-2013, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
I'm glad I didn't start the rep cycle on any of my toons. A shame I can't barter off all my accumulated rom marks for something useful.
You exchange them for dillithium using the rep system ;-) Just stay away from the projects xD
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 12
01-02-2013, 02:51 PM
*sigh...

And another thread that really shouldn't be called feedback, because again, no suggestions for improvements, just complaints.

For starters, you have 10 chars. Whose fault is that? Not S7s, not cryptics. Just yours. Secondly, you don't need to do the rep system. As you so kindly pointed out, the items apparently suck and aren't worth the grind. Solution? Don't do it. If you aren't willing to put the time and effort into doing it, then you don't deserve the rewards of having done so.

As someone pointed out in another thread, it really is pathetic how people, instead of saying: "What is the easiest way to do this?" or "What can one do to make this easier?" or "How can we do this well, is there a way to do this efficiently?", they say "Oh no, it costs too much make it cheaper!" or "It takes too long, make it shorter!" or my absolute favorite: long winded self-righteous instant gratification whiner posts like yours.

The reputation system is a commitment. It takes time. It takes resources. Is it worth it? To some yes. To others no. If you don't think the rewards are worth the cost, then don't get the rewards. If you aren't willing to sacrifice in order to get these rewards, you don't deserve them.

This game is F2P. So yes, it will be made to appeal more to F2P players. And as for this gold members should get a reduction bull-crap? That's just astonishingly arrogant and pitiful.

Regardless of whether or not I agree with parts of your post (which I do), I am completely shut off by all the negativity and lack of constructive ANYTHING that makes up the rest of your post. So, don't take this the wrong way, but just suck it up and live with it.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Tired of Wasting EC and Time trying to get Superior Romulan Operative BOffs? Here's a cheap and easy way to get them, with an almost 100% chance of success.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder.
Empire Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 201
# 13
01-02-2013, 05:29 PM
I agree with most of what the OP said.
The grindy-ness of the rep system is too much. Especially if you're in a fleet as well.
Then you have both of those combined. And embassy stuff.

The marks, I don't mind so much.
The dilithium costs... are obscene.

Inventory sinks... sounds funny. True tho.
I've never really felt as if I didn't have enough inventory slots. (aside from the bank)
I sure do now. Especially when I go out and try to buy 250 Photon Torpedo launcher MK I.
...
Really?

Then there are Radiation Reports. Epohh tags. Q pics. Rock samples. Crystal samples. plant samples.... on top of the old stuff like data samples, tribbles and food items.
Then, 2-8 STACKS of Industrial Energy Cells, Shield Generators, Large Hypos, Auxiliary Batteries, shield batteries and double the requirements on medium regenerators...

About the only thing I didn't agree with is the frustration of Elite STF's.
Frustration? No. Extreme burnout? yes.
Other than that, I think he's right.

And I loathe the changes to the doff grinder/recruiter.

I had to quote this part. It's the most telling thing...

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxrockssocks View Post
But I have no desire to grind at all, and burnout comes fast with this system. This ends up making me play the bare minimum to get a few reputation projects going and then log off and do something fun.
I've been a lifer since beta. Have tons of alts. I can honestly say that I have never felt like what is described in the quote. Until recently.
For the first time in STO, I'd rather just get my projects done and log off.
I see the massive uphill trek up Mt. Grindy, and I lose all interest in playing ANY of my toons.
Also, I'm an altoholic. I'm always coming up with new concepts.
For the first time in any mmo I've played, I'm actually DELETING characters instead of creating more, lol
I guess I just feel defeated.
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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 14
01-02-2013, 07:03 PM
I'm surprised only two apologists replied in the thread.

Op, your opinion was well written.

Now this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
*sigh...

And another thread that really shouldn't be called feedback, because again, no suggestions for improvements, just complaints...
Maybe you should go look up for the word "feedback" in a dictionnary and fix your intervention accordingly. I'm not english-speaking and even I know what a feedback is.
Captain
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# 15
01-02-2013, 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by squonkman View Post
Maybe you should go look up for the word "feedback" in a dictionnary and fix your intervention accordingly. I'm not english-speaking and even I know what a feedback is.
First of all, I congratulate you on knowing how to use a dictionary. But regardless of the definition of that word, this thread is nothing more than a whine fest and complaints. I see nothing constructive that would help the devs change anything.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Tired of Wasting EC and Time trying to get Superior Romulan Operative BOffs? Here's a cheap and easy way to get them, with an almost 100% chance of success.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 14
# 16
01-03-2013, 12:22 AM
In my opinion STO needs continuous new playable storytelling content instead endless grind for unnecessary upgrades.
Who believes Cryptic will release more than the obligatory handful short missions this year? - Thats the problem.
Let's talk about what real gameplay should be in a Star Trek MMO?
Commander
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Posts: 312
# 17
01-03-2013, 01:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepatty View Post
In my opinion STO needs continuous new playable storytelling content instead endless grind for unnecessary upgrades.
Who believes Cryptic will release more than the obligatory handful short missions this year? - Thats the problem.
Let's talk about what real gameplay should be in a Star Trek MMO?
If you don't like grind then you really shouldn't play ANY MMO. WoW is one of the biggest MMO out there and it has a lot of marks, reps and gear grind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
*sigh...

And another thread that really shouldn't be called feedback, because again, no suggestions for improvements, just complaints.

For starters, you have 10 chars. Whose fault is that? Not S7s, not cryptics. Just yours. Secondly, you don't need to do the rep system. As you so kindly pointed out, the items apparently suck and aren't worth the grind. Solution? Don't do it. If you aren't willing to put the time and effort into doing it, then you don't deserve the rewards of having done so.

The reputation system is a commitment. It takes time. It takes resources. Is it worth it? To some yes. To others no. If you don't think the rewards are worth the cost, then don't get the rewards. If you aren't willing to sacrifice in order to get these rewards, you don't deserve them.
True words. Having 10 chars and then complaining that it is time consuming equipping all of them xD
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# 18
01-03-2013, 01:51 AM
OP: Most of the time I tend to smack down these threads like a jerk... but you wrote your opinion out very well and made some valid points that I do agree with.


Here is the flip side... it may sound a little jerky... but please dismiss the jerkiness as I read and responded to a lot of these types of threads. I'm just cranky in general.. take it with stride.

The UI of the rep system is indeed annoying... it is tedious to purchase commodities and the UI is clumsy. However, I refuse to agree that obtaining EC is a problem. I agree that STFs will not award you all the necessary EC to advance the system everyday, but you do play other parts of the game right? I don't sign in to run an STF because I HAVE to and then log off... that sounds like a job. I do not play the market, though I have for kicks... I don't do it to make EC. I do enjoy running the other content, taking care of my characters 'business' (errand's etc..), testing out new gear or ideas. This is an MMO, a representation of the life of a person that is 1. fake, 2. experiences things not possible in real life and you get to be a part of it... ( I am NOT and RPer...).

That being said Starbase 24 is easy and takes less than 15mins. It's not like an STF as I could be half brain dead and still take first place. All you have to do is show up with an escort with decent weapons and spam CSV... survive.... and you take first place. Most other players are woefully under equipped in this game so it's a surprise to me to not get first place in SB24 even as I track it with a log parser on my second screen throughout the fight. Actually that can add fun as I get in a DPS race with someone... though they probably don't know it. Anyway you can easily pickup 100k EC per run and the right purples can go for around 300k to 3 million EC. I bet I have made at least 20 million EC from SB24 since season 7 dropped.

I never do tour the galaxy... waste of time and boring... Doing the foundry daily with the Battleship Royal Rumble mission generally rewards me 250k to 300K EC and takes about 10 minutes. Since I get so much EC, I just replicate the commodities instead of running around (I actually have a tuffli but it's not worth the time to switch ships).

The Tau Dewa daily does take a while, but awards 60 marks. At some point in the middle of tier 4 I had nearly 700 marks so I stopped running Romulan content and cruised through tier 5 on the reserves. I don't do the Romulan PVE queue missions because they do reward too little, I only do them for a change of pace when I want to play them. Its stupid, all that work for 20ish marks? NO.... and while New Romulus is beautiful and fun.... you have to press F5 way to much, every mission that has a percentage counter should have the amount of actions to reach 100% cut in half... just too much. So I agree with the Romulan mark grind. However I have over 2000 marks now due to the winter event Eepohs thingy and I don't know what to do with them. The gear in the Romulan side is not very attractive to me, I have my fleet weapons and the Borg Rep MKXII gear. I was more interested in the passives earned with each tier.

As far as dilithium, I NEVER meet the refinement cap and don't care to. I do donate DL to the starbase but only when I have over 300K and I feel like it. I have NEVER bought Zen with DL, see my sig. I rarely spend Dilithium on anything except major one time expenses such as moving to MK XII fleet weapons last season and getting the Omega MKXII ground set when I hit tier 5. Since I don't spend DL, I have hundreds of thousands of DL so I don't care about the costs of things. So.... say I didn't have money to spend on Zen, they haven't come out with anything really good to spend Zen on lately. I have been thinking about the regent, but I didn't jump at it like other ships. 2500 zen is a bit over the top.. Anyway, I would never spend DL to buy master keys as that would be a total waste, so I don't really understand the great Dilithium crisis especially since fleet actions reward it now and the Officer Reports has a 30 min cooldown. I just don't see what people are spending Zen (converted from DL) on, fleet modules? Fleet modules will probably be my next major expense, but that's why you tell people to get you PWE gift cards for the holidays... I got 11 .

I never ever used the upgrinder even prior to season 7, I donated all white and green DOffs to the starbase for fleet credits. My roster is mostly purple with a lot of blue still. All were obtained by playing the DOff game, completing the chains, exchanging officers/prisoners. Why the rush? I only have a few of the commendation categories maxed... no point... no rewards except for a purple DOff and a accolade/title... whooo hooo... When I want a doff with a slot-able ability, I buy them for 10, 20, or 30 million EC and move on. I see that you have trouble finding the missions... do you use the doff jobs and doff calls chat channels? That makes it face-rolling-ly easy...

Just a quick dig.... I fly a fleet patrol escort and rarely get one shotted in eSTFs. I'm not saying one shots don't happen, but if you are pounding the desk with a close fist and yelling "dang it, another one shot!" you are doing it wrong. I think the space ones are rather easy and I have fallen asleep during ISE... I don't see your side of the argument about running an eSTF (ok the ground ones suck) every few days for the heck of it to advance the reputation system. When you talk about them, there is a sense of dread or annoyance in your words... I run them for fun with my fleet mates.

I agree that gold accounts should get more value out of this game as well, but not sure how, I want more perks and I want the captains table to be useful again. My final conclusion is always the same, people want more for less which is perfectly fine. I just don't agree that it's as much work as people make it out to be. I was never under great pressure to advance the system, it never felt like 'work' or grind, not any more than any other game... and I am not some magically exceptional player... I suck.... That's what this is... a game. It wouldn't be a game if they just gave you everything easily.. it would be 'happy fun time in the star trek sandbox'


I'd say BF3 has more grind... you have to complete these stupid assignment like kill someone with a blow torch to get a stupid gun...
1hr of work @NYS Min Wage 7.25 = 725 Zen
725 x 102 (or current exchange rate) DL = 73950 DL <- can you earn that per hour in game?

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# 19
01-03-2013, 02:21 AM
I agree with some of the things posted. I started a new character about 4 or 5 weeks ago. Leveled him up through the episodes to level 50. I started the rep system and did my first STF to be able to get the Borg set. Since it is almost required, at least the module is IMO. 15K dilithium and 500 Omega marks. I mean really???? All that for something we use to get for free. That is 26 STFs if you never do the reputation bonus hour. That is for just the ONE piece. We use to get each piece for 5 EDC. The whole set you could do in 15 normal STFs. Now it is 56 STFs (not including the module) and that is if you do them during the bonus hour. So my new character has no advanced space set to really do normal stfs much less elite. Luckily I moved 3 million EC off my main account so I could get a better space set off the exchange.

I can see where this is really going to be hard for new players to the game. So they will have to grind tons of EC in addition to the dilithium and omega marks. To top it off, they have crippled the new players from grinding EC through "Tour the Galaxy". The borg engine is vital for that. I am not even going to mention the grind they would have to do if they join a fleet.

What should have happened is link the borg set to a "required" STF tutorial. That way they get a decent space set and the knowledge to help them advance through the rep system.

Also, there are no very rare weapons available to new players. We use to get them with borg salvage. That is another EC expense they will have to incur. Why not use the borg neural processors in the same manner? Put the vendor back at DS9 or even New Romulus. If they wanted to, they could restrict the level to Mk X so it is just for the new players. That way they won't have to grind EC to get decent purple weapons off the exchange.

The rep system is an OK system. It could be better with lowering some of the costs. I have been at tier 5 on my main toon for about a week and a half. I have yet to buy one piece of gear from it, Romulan or Omega. I have a hard time grasping the concept of buying gear that we use to get awarded for basically free. Now, not only do I have to do the STFs to get the marks, I have to do the grind for EC and dilithium as well. I mean if I am going to have to spend dilithium I had just as soon spend it in my fleet store. I have already done the time grinding to get it to the level it is at now.

Last edited by quickdraw74; 01-03-2013 at 02:32 AM.
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# 20
01-03-2013, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
...But regardless of the definition of that word, this thread is nothing more than a whine fest and complaints. I see nothing constructive that would help the devs change anything.
It's not "regardless" considering the context of your first intervention in which you said that what the Op wrote was not a feedback because it didn't offer any suggestion. Since when a suggestion is required when giving a feedback?
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