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I have pretty much read everything there is to read about the various kinds of T5 Escorts available on stowiki. And also the very helpful comparison by ooiue http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=503471

I have narrowed down my options to one of two ships. Bare in mind, my fleet still only operates a Tire 2 Shipyard so some of the Fleet ships are off the radar for the time being. So just based on ships I can buy with Zen or direct from the shipyard.

Based on experience I would greatly appreciate any advice I can get to select the better of the ships. Bare in mind that I currently fly the Captain level Tactical Escort Refit. The options are:

1)Tactical Escort Retrofit
2)Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit
3)Heavy Escort Carrier

Till date I have't played PvP and I have no plans to do so in the next few months. Just playing storyline missions and other stuff. Looking forward to your thoughts!
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# 2
01-02-2013, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by samb0wski View Post
I have pretty much read everything there is to read about the various kinds of T5 Escorts available on stowiki. And also the very helpful comparison by ooiue http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=503471

I have narrowed down my options to one of two ships. Bare in mind, my fleet still only operates a Tire 2 Shipyard so some of the Fleet ships are off the radar for the time being. So just based on ships I can buy with Zen or direct from the shipyard.

Based on experience I would greatly appreciate any advice I can get to select the better of the ships. Bare in mind that I currently fly the Captain level Tactical Escort Refit. The options are:

1)Tactical Escort Retrofit
2)Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit
3)Heavy Escort Carrier

Till date I have't played PvP and I have no plans to do so in the next few months. Just playing storyline missions and other stuff. Looking forward to your thoughts!
At this point it more or less depends on your chosen style of play. Statistically speaking the Blockade Runner Retrofit (i.e. Steamrunner) outclasses practically everything on your list, including the Fleet variants. It is a Fleet/Lockbox ship in all but acquisition method (i.e. Steam). The only thing that beats it is arguably the Jem'Hadar bug, but that's not on your list.

HOWEVER, the Steamrunner doesn't have 5 tactical console slots, like the Fleet Defiant does. That ship has greater potential damage, but is less survivable, a true "glass cannon". If you choose the Defiant-R (i.e. Tac Escort Retrofit), you also gain a non-battle cloak and the ability to use quad cannons (though those aren't ideal in the most optimized builds) and your pretty Sao Paolo skin. On sheer value-for-money, the Defiant-R wins out. And with a Tier 3 shipyard it's already available to you once you scrounge up the Fleet Modules. Sadly you can't avail of the discount. Only owners of the Defiant Retrofit from the C-store (and not the Veteran VA ship bonus token) qualify.

HOWEVER again, the Armitage (and its Fleet version) has two things neither the Steamrunner nor the Defiant-R have: A hangar, and a lieutenant commander Engineer slot. It'll do slightly less damage overall due to a lack of a Lt. Commander Tactical post, but has access to higher-level engineering powers, and is very survivable. The Fleet Armitage can give even the Bug and Steamrunner, which have higher base shield and hull, a run for their money because of this slot, as well as its ability to deploy fighters, shuttles, repair drones and runabouts to augment its damage, powers or survivability. Lastly, the Fleet Armitage is available with just a Tier 1 shipyard, so if you own it you can already access it.

So, the big question here is how you want to play. If you just want purely higher stats, the Steamrunner is yours. If you want to hit hard, health be damned, pick up the Retrofit, and later the Fleet version. And if you want to survive a lot of what the enemy can throw at you, plus have a few little friends to help, the Armitage is what you want.
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# 3
01-02-2013, 08:34 PM
Honestly, if you still have your Rear Admiral free ship token, you can't go wrong with a plain old Patrol Escort. Its like the AK47 of escorts: nothing fancy, but its cheap, simple, rugged, and it always works.
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# 4
01-02-2013, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by reginamala78 View Post
Honestly, if you still have your Rear Admiral free ship token, you can't go wrong with a plain old Patrol Escort. Its like the AK47 of escorts: nothing fancy, but its cheap, simple, rugged, and it always works.
It wasn't on his list, but yes, I'd second this. It's basically an Armitage with slightly worse hull, better Tac (LtC Tac slot and no wasted Ensign), slightly worse Eng (no LtC Eng), and no hangar. Basically fewer frills, but just as reliable.

Also its Maelstrom Skin looks really boss. If you didn't own it already you can get it on the Fleet version.
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# 5
01-03-2013, 12:24 AM
Another vote for the Fleet Patrol. Strong. Survivable (thanks the 4x eng consoles). With a nice punch. My preferred escort (dozens of hive elite wins), though I've now got 3000 Zen burning a hole in my "pocket" and I'm wondering what to buy next...

Leaning towards the Armitage carrier just to try something different.

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# 6
01-03-2013, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rck01 View Post
Another vote for the Fleet Patrol. Strong. Survivable (thanks the 4x eng consoles). With a nice punch. My preferred escort (dozens of hive elite wins), though I've now got 3000 Zen burning a hole in my "pocket" and I'm wondering what to buy next...

Leaning towards the Armitage carrier just to try something different.

RCK
Hmmmm, besides the hangar the HEC isn't THAT different. You'll have pets to control and the brief novelty that is the photon point defense console, but you'll be doing pretty much the same things you do in your Patrol Escort, except with one less LtC tac power and one more LtC Eng power.

If want REALLY different I suggest plunking down for an Atrox or an Odyssey. If you want different, but also want the flexibility to use some standard Escort tactics, try one of the Vestas, either the Sci or Eng variants. The folks who want to tell you to get the 3-pack or nothing at all are nuts or rich. You'll do fine with just one. With universal LtC and En slots you'll get some great versatility, and those Aux cannons are an interesting take on your power settings.

If you absolutely insist that your next ship be an escort, try the MVAE. The sci skills and multi-vector skill can really change your tactics while still staying in the DPS-happy categories.

Of course, you could also plunk down for 24 Master Keys and either take your chances with lockboxes or sell the keys on the exchange. You'd go a long way towards buying a lockbox ship like the Wells, Orb Weaver, Recluse, or Mobius, though not the Dkora, Galor, or god forbid, the Bug.
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# 7
01-03-2013, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
Lastly, the Fleet Armitage is available with just a Tier 1 shipyard, so if you own it you can already access it.
Unfortunately its tier 5 shipyard
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# 8
01-03-2013, 01:18 AM
bug ship is probably THE one, but out of reach for me and many others.
i would second the fleet patrol escort, love it. it's durable and versatile...you either take a 3rd sci ability or a engi ability, depending on the situation. i prefer TBR for stfs and other missions that require some sort of CC.
3rd of my choice would be the fleet defiant and the steamrunner...very different ships, so it is hard to tell for me.
4th the fleet armitage, and 5th the multivector...simply because the 3 tac ensigns are kind of hard to fill with specific, yet powerfull builds.

anything sub fleet level (except the bug ship) is not an option anymore in my opinion.
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# 9
01-03-2013, 01:29 AM
I'm going to throw out another ship to consider: The Fleet Saber Retrofit (Classified as Fleet Escort Retrofit)

It has the Fleet Patrol Escorts Console and Boff Layout (save for a Lieutenant Sciene instead of universal), but the Defiants small size and manuverability. Sure it does have less hull than it's bigger ship, but it is loads of fun to fly around. Plus you don't see them around as much as the Patrol Escort, so you are flying something just a bit more unique.

Also, the Gladuis skin can be described in the same way as the Patrol Escort's Maelstrom Skin: Boss.

I currently only have the Saber Retrofit, but I plan to upgrade to Fleet. But even the regular retrofit is pretty badass.
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# 10
01-03-2013, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by vesolc View Post
Unfortunately its tier 5 shipyard
Whoops!

Actually, it's the Fleet Patrol that's Tier I, which is almost as good, really. A universal En means it doesn't get wasted on a redundant tac ability, an extra Eng console's good for extra armor or space for gimmicks, and no one ever says no to 10% more hull and shields.
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