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# 51
01-10-2013, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sekritagent View Post
[*]Disrespectful Cryptic Developers - Check out this tweet from CaptainGeko basically telling the forum users to get bent and that we should just sit back and be pleased with whatever scraps of code they deign to share with us. He is entitled to his opinion and i am entitled to vote with my wallet and live off the stipend. I don't give a damn if they put Jean-Luc Picard himself in a lockbox, I won't be buying it with real money.[/list]
Interesting. All the more disturbing considering the formulation of that users "rules" violates exactly those rules being mentioned - on the fly.

He basicly states hisself why the stuff he says is bull**** because of the way he says it.
And then a Dev supports it.

The whole thing is pretty ripe with delusion - and not because of any factual mistakes.

He's dead, Jim.
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# 52
01-10-2013, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sekritagent View Post
[*]Disrespectful Cryptic Developers - Check out this tweet from CaptainGeko basically telling the forum users to get bent and that we should just sit back and be pleased with whatever scraps of code they deign to share with us. He is entitled to his opinion and i am entitled to vote with my wallet and live off the stipend. I don't give a damn if they put Jean-Luc Picard himself in a lockbox, I won't be buying it with real money.[/list]
I haven't seen anything that funny since there were new episodes of the Chappelle's Show. Just shows you what the Dev's priorities really are. If you are that disenchanted with what you do for work, then get out.
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# 53
01-10-2013, 04:36 PM
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I haven't seen anything that funny since there were new episodes of the Chappelle's Show. Just shows you what the Dev's priorities really are. If you are that disenchanted with what you do for work, then get out.
I love it, because it's so true about the Forums, that's why i have the link in my signature.

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# 54
01-10-2013, 04:40 PM
Every time I read a thread like this there seems to be a serious mental block or selective discussion ignoring important information. The dil cap is at least 8000 per day per character. Everyone has two character slots so you can get at least 16000 dil per day if you want. If this is too constraining then you can purchase additional character slots. With four character slots I have ended buying over 5000 zen with dil in the past month. I have even bought zen for as low 85-87 dil each. Players have been willing to sell their zen for that little. If you don't want to sell zen for those prices then don't, you have control over what you're willing to sell it for.

There has been the argument that it's all the developers fault. Actually it's the fault of players that are angry about the dil exchange prices. The zen store prices are a fixed value. You can buy zen for a fixed amount of money and buy a fixed number zen store items. Then you can sell those items for ec, buy contraband and convert that to dil. There is more than one path to get dil. Again if you want more per day you need more character slots and those cost zen, not dil.

There has been discussion of the dil supply being restricted. There are more dil sinks that players want to use. However given the dil exchange prices there is actually more dil on the exchange than I've ever seen in past year or more. The volume I watched being traded on the exchange last weekend were substantial. The dil exchange prices are motivating more players to put dil on the market, in additional with zen being cheap it looks like players have been buying more character slots for the purpose of refining dil. Further to that contraband has been trading for 10k ec more than what it did a year ago.

If players are willing to sell zen for low prices they only have themselves to blame. The mechanisms are there to convert zen into dil, however it seems there are a lot of players that are making poor zen spending choices then trying to blame others for their decisions.
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# 55
01-10-2013, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by devian666 View Post
Every time I read a thread like this there seems to be a serious mental block or selective discussion ignoring important information. The dil cap is at least 8000 per day per character. Everyone has two character slots so you can get at least 16000 dil per day if you want. If this is too constraining then you can purchase additional character slots. With four character slots I have ended buying over 5000 zen with dil in the past month. I have even bought zen for as low 85-87 dil each. Players have been willing to sell their zen for that little. If you don't want to sell zen for those prices then don't, you have control over what you're willing to sell it for.

There has been the argument that it's all the developers fault. Actually it's the fault of players that are angry about the dil exchange prices. The zen store prices are a fixed value. You can buy zen for a fixed amount of money and buy a fixed number zen store items. Then you can sell those items for ec, buy contraband and convert that to dil. There is more than one path to get dil. Again if you want more per day you need more character slots and those cost zen, not dil.

There has been discussion of the dil supply being restricted. There are more dil sinks that players want to use. However given the dil exchange prices there is actually more dil on the exchange than I've ever seen in past year or more. The volume I watched being traded on the exchange last weekend were substantial. The dil exchange prices are motivating more players to put dil on the market, in additional with zen being cheap it looks like players have been buying more character slots for the purpose of refining dil. Further to that contraband has been trading for 10k ec more than what it did a year ago.

If players are willing to sell zen for low prices they only have themselves to blame. The mechanisms are there to convert zen into dil, however it seems there are a lot of players that are making poor zen spending choices then trying to blame others for their decisions.
This is perfectly valid and correct, but you cannot disregard Cryptics influence in shaping dilitihum demand.
The prices would not have developed the way they did had Cryptic not introduced the fleet and reputation projects with a huge dilithium component.
It is consequently very clear that it's not solely the players that are responsible - altho they were willing participants.
Cryptic has changed incentives - and players have responded.
It's absolutely not the case that players "simply decided to settle for a lower exchange ratio".
This wouldn't happen for no reason either way.

He's dead, Jim.
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# 56
01-10-2013, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lolimpicard View Post
It won't be long until the established players have all things they needed to spend dilithium on, on most of their toons.
After this point it will only be the "adolescent" characters having to deal with this dilithium drain from reputation.
The pricing of fleet items and starbase projects is a much bigger and more long lasting effect, I think, but I think this has already stabilized for the most part.

We've already witnessed the value of dilithium falling over the last few days and I have no doubt it will continue to fall for a while until a certain equilibrium is reached after it had been upset by fleet projects/items and reputation.

Of course the exact value it will settle on is down to speculation and Cryptics future changes/additions in that regard.
The market will stabilize, as soon as folks hit T5 Rep, T5 fleet bases and have all the gear they need they'll sell off what they have for Zen.

Of course season 8 may be here by the time that happens so who knows what other "sink" they may create to keep up the need for Dilithium.
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# 57
01-10-2013, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sekritagent View Post
I also cut off Cryptic's funding as of November last year. Another LTS here.

Reasons:
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  • STO Revenues Obviously Not Spent on STO - Queue for your next mindless zergfest, please, because it's the cheapest content we can make. Klingons need not apply for pretty much, well, any purchasable content because it doesn't make money...so what the hell happened to the money we've already spent?
Can't agree with this one as queued content is not the only thing they've added in the past year mission wise.m Also (whether you use/like them); the Fleet Advancement, Reoutation System, the Tau Dewa sector Block and the Defera, Nukara and especially the New Romulus ground zones were not a 'cut and paste' job by any means (nor were all the cutscences and VO added as you progress in Reputation Tiers in New Romulus Rep.

And (unless you believe DStahl is lying) there's the fact that they've increased the STO Dev team to a staff of 50; and by his comments it's still growing; the fact that they've hired Denise Crosby to do voice over as 'Sela' for an upcoming Anniversary mission, and the stuff being worked on for Season 8.

So, yes, there is a lot of problems/issues with STO (and that's true of any MMO these days) - BUT, given what they've added to the game over the past year (and I don't care for everything they've done, but that doesn't change the fact that any such development costs money - and not everyone will like everything; but most will find something); and the fact the STO Dev team has been, and is still being added to - I don't see how you can make the claim

"PWE/Cryptic isn't spending any money in further development of STO."


And it's not the case that PWE/Cryptic just spends development funds and resources across all their MMOs as (IMO) they DO have a game in what I consider near maintenance-mode, and that's Champions Onlibe.
^^^
If you want to really see a Cryptic game that ISN'T getting much of any resource or Cryptic Dev support, go peruse CO's forums - and look what its gotten in the past year. Not pretty (IMO); and it's a shame as I do think CO has a lot of potential that hasn't been given the chance to be realized.

Whether you like the direction they're taking STO or not; it is pretty clear they are continuing to commit funds to STO's development - and increasing that commitment with regard to STO's Dev team staffing.
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# 58
01-10-2013, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ciprianp1 View Post
Really? Then I must be playing another game. The dil market is controlled by Cryptic by simply not showing all the offers.
I made a test: put some zen for sale at a price way over the market. I asked a friend if he can see my offer ( I excluded the fact that I wasn't able to see it), and of course no, there was no offer of mine. So simply by not showing all the offers, but only the lowest ones, CRYPTIC is controlling the market. At least be a man and admit it Brandon.
Please, stop "helping".

On each side of the exchange, only the most favorable offers matter, because why would you intentionally pay a higher price than someone's offering you? Even showing the five best and five worst provides lots of information as a very rough gauge of market stability and direction.

The way Cryptic controls the market, which they absolutely do*, is by controlling three of the four driving factors of the market - dilithium inputs, dilithium sinks, and zen sinks. The only one players have most of the control over is zen inputs, but that's still partly driven by the quantity and desirability of both sinks.

*Whether they control it competently and intentionally is a different issue.
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# 59
01-10-2013, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by crypticarmsman View Post
And it's not the case that PWE/Cryptic just spends development funds and resources across all their MMOs as (IMO) they DO have a game in what I consider near maintenance-mode, and that's Champions Online.
^^^
If you want to really see a Cryptic game that ISN'T getting much of any resource or Cryptic Dev support, go peruse CO's forums - and look what its gotten in the past year. Not pretty (IMO); and it's a shame as I do think CO has a lot of potential that hasn't been given the chance to be realized.

Whether you like the direction they're taking STO or not; it is pretty clear they are continuing to commit funds to STO's development - and increasing that commitment with regard to STO's Dev team staffing.
Indeed, anyone that thinks STO is in bad shape needs to check CO out.
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# 60
01-10-2013, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sparhawk View Post
Indeed, anyone that thinks STO is in bad shape needs to check CO out.
I'm hopeful that they'll put some investment into CO in the short term to try to capitalize on the exodus from CoH, but it's probably too late by now. :/
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