Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 21
01-11-2013, 12:57 AM
U.S.S. Clown-Car does have a ring to it though.
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# 22
01-11-2013, 01:08 AM
What is wrong with Torpedo spread? I consider it essential to getting STFs done fast. It works great when someone grav wells a group of spheres, raptors, or neghvars together, then you follow up with a scatter volley then a quantum torp spread. It makes guarding the kang or guarding probes much easier to. Yes it aggros a lot of stuff, but when you shoot it you should be killing them all fast to.
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# 23
01-11-2013, 01:45 AM
I have done hundreds of elite STFs. Which is to say I never botherd with normal and recived the U.F.P. Medal of Honoracolade (300 stf runs) a very very long time ago.

Hundreds of those runs have been with friends and fleet mates. Hundreds more with pugs.

There are good pugs and bad pugs. The only optional I have never compleated with a pug is infected ground.

The longest an STF has ever taken me with a pug was two hours (cure ground elite, every one but me and one other quite right at the begining. Fortunatly I had a medic kit and she had a fabrication one. She also had doffs that let her call in 3 morters at a time. Without those we never could have taken the forcfield gates down without at least one more player)

On another ocasion in KA space, I was guarding probes on the right while the rest of the team went left. They were so bad at stopping probes and doing damage that in addition to guarding against probes on my side I was able to take out all the generators, both cubes and both transformers and get my gate down to 50% hull before they finished popping their 2nd transformer. (If any one else wants to be able to do all this solo, I highly recomend an escort, with emergency to engines and tractor repulsers. I also recomend that you dont suck. Also try to do this on a day when the random number generator likes you.)

So do I recomend pugs? Sure why not. Just accept that when things go wrong its your fault for clicking 'engage' when you knew that you might get stuck with an ideot team.

Think of it this way. If you dont play with pugs, you wont ever get to boast about how you did cure ground with just one other person. You will never know if you could take an entire side of KA on your own.

Pugs may not be good for the marks, but they can be good for your ego.
Empire Veteran
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# 24
01-11-2013, 02:09 AM
I'm an eng in a fleet excel with mk xii maco/omega and all fleet weapons... my build is for one thing and one thing only in stf's... to get and keep agro so others can blow them out of the stars. Fire at will AND torp spread are two thing i use to do this. Just b/c YOU think they are pointless for your build makes them far from pointless period.

Now boarding party is another story...
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# 25
01-11-2013, 02:24 AM
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# 26
01-11-2013, 02:26 AM
First things first, everyone here should read the thread about the leaver penalty, since this all tie into this.

This is not about an elitist mentality, but I seriously advocate a kick option and those recommeded 24hrs ban.

First and foremost, there is nothing wrong with Blue Phasers, especially the ones from the Devidian missions. They are cheaper but can be effective with the right setups.

We prefer more quality Very rare weaponry - but we shouldn't frown upon those using blue phaser or uncommon weapons. As long as they have a decent build and decent skill layout.


What do you expect from a PUG in Elite, granted when I personally PUG'ed, I tend to get a very good and decent team - Then there are those moments where the OP has described.

I do not get frustrated nor yell at the masses, simply because I know I am dealing with a PUG team.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,593
# 27
01-11-2013, 03:07 AM
If you can't do elite with Blue phasers you aren't good enough FOR Elite (or normals)

ANYONE who can't do a STF on common white gear (mk x) is not ready for elite
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# 28
01-11-2013, 03:22 AM
Are blue phasers the polaron weaponry? I'm colorblind so i see it a bit different..

I've played enough elite stf's to agree that there are lots of people in it, that don't know what they are doing. Players that should do normal stf's but they are doing elite, because they are hoping that the others are damn good, so they can take a sip of the bigger loot and awards.

I'm not getting raged about it at all, sometimes i say LOL behind my desktop when i'm seeing the actions that some people do but never, NEVER, i get angry or so because of it.

Also the ten percent rule, sometimes i use it, sometimes i don't. It depends on how the team is. If the team is mostly cruisers, yes, but if we got a good mix of cruisers, escort and science, there is a chance we go rambo on it and we normally make it perfectly through.
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Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,593
# 29
01-11-2013, 03:26 AM
Nope Blue phasers are "retro" phasers (there are scaling and non scaling versions)

the scaling version (comes with TOS enterprise) is more than enough for a STF in the hands of any even slightly skilled captain (if you need Mk XII purple ninja death rays you are NOT ready for STF's)

Remember a Decent player in a Captain level vessel with its ORIGINAL weapons can do a normal level stf (with optionals)

so anyone complaining about a lack of ninja death rays needs practice
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 30
01-11-2013, 03:40 AM
There is a difference between doing poorly at an STF due to being new... and griefing.

A new person makes use of team chat, asks questions, learns from mistakes and improves for the next run. There is a difference between "oops I let a probe by" in KASE or "oh no I blew up a gen too soon" in ISE... and coming in with a deliberately poor build, aggroing everything, ignoring /tells and scooting then the optional fails.

None of the people I complain about respond to communication. Communications like "10% rule, please. Everyone know what that means?" Or "Left side first, stick together please."

The second one. I'm in a PUG one of the other members punches that into chat. We end up with two people in clown-car builds on the RIGHT side blowing generators, who left as soon as the optional failed.

I guess... that means I'm an elitist jerk? Simply asking people to play right makes me an elitist jerk.

I see how that works. Clearly expecting a team to function as a team and not grief makes me high-and-mighty.

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