Commander
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# 31
01-11-2013, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gulberat View Post
I don't do STF's because I know very well I'm not up to it yet--and frankly, I do not want to go through the many sessions of getting yelled at from people who think everyone ought to be perfect, that I can see I would get if I tried.
I suspect you are up to it.

My first STF we had three first timers. Luckily we all used the chat function and mentioned this, and one of the other players explained the steps and what was the aim and the easy way to achieve it.

We did KA in about 10 mins.

So find someone who will explain and go do it.
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# 32
01-11-2013, 04:50 AM
Please don't give a bad name to TS and BFAW. They are my favourite tac skills, you have just got to know when NOT to use them.
Captain
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# 33
01-11-2013, 04:52 AM
I try not to make such a big deal out of it. Sure I'll curse once under my breath but I stick around to get the job done, better that than leaving everyone in a bad situation. On some days I'm sure every player has a derp moment so I try not to fly off the handle.

However all in all PUGs are not bad, the vast majority I do are within teams of players who know what they are doing and the optional is achieved. I think the failures stick in everyone's minds because they always seem to fail spectacularly, I never seem to have many close calls. It's either full success or 45 mins+ epic mess.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 34
01-11-2013, 04:52 AM
And when someone says "Storm tactics please" or "Avoid left " you presumably ignore them?

Remember the 10% tactic is not standard (or the only one that works)
Some people use other (better) methods

including the ever popular "Cruiser convoy" method (only works with at least 4 cruisers so don't use if you don't have 4 cruisers)
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# 35
01-11-2013, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by themarie View Post
That said I know what works and does not work. All-cruiser teams with blue-novelty-phasers and FAW do not work. Boarding Party is useless. Spamming turrets everywhere helps nothing. Torpedo spread is a hazard.


Three PUG teams on elite. All cruisers. All with beam FAW, at least one ship with blue phasers per group if not more. Everyone spamming torpedo spread and boarding party shuttles... Not a single crowd-control effort to be seen.


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i thought FAW and torp spread were in and of themselves.... "Crowd control" powers?

O_o

i also like how a team of 4 pvp'rs can surprise the heck out of some lucky pug when they go stf'in.
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
Do you even Science Bro?
Survivor of Romulus
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# 36
01-11-2013, 05:08 AM
yep those are crowd control powers
Commander
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# 37
01-11-2013, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by aelrhiana View Post
You *can* avoid it; it is called a choice. When one person or group of people start thinking that it is okay to publically shame people without having all of the facts, it usually comes back to bite them in the butt. Hard.

Have you ever exchanged tells with any of those people about whom you complain? I doubt everyone was in the match just to grief.

It's the high and mighty I-am-better-than-everyone-else types that run people away from the game. You yourself said that you take this game seriously, and I would almost say a little too much, mate. If someone not building their ship to your specifications cannot play with you without the possibility of being pubically humiliated, then perhaps you need to take a step back and get some priorities in order. This is a video game; it is not real life! If you have to take the game that seriously, then do as someone else said: Run with your fleet. You could even join the STF chat channels that are geared specifically towards people who run elites often. Start building a list of friends that you can team with when others' on your fleet seem to be absent. There are loads of possibilities here.

Don't misunderstand, I, too, get upset when there are idiots in a PuG, but unless the entire team is uselss you can generally save the match easily enough. Do you ever explain the generators or do you assume that people know exactly what to do? Some people may be playing with their chat tab closed, it does happen. Some may not have english as their native language and may not understand you. Some people may also want specific powers for concept or theme, and some powers tend to stay "trigger" happy all on their own, which in itself can be frustrating. Yes, there are griefers out there, but crap also happens. We thought we had a griefer on one of our last ISE's, afterwards they sent my husband a tell, they had no idea what they had done wrong. They were having difficulty with their chat, I sometimes do as well... I won't see a single bit of text for the whole match, but my husband might. This person saw a couple lines of text and didn't know about the generator rule, but after the match we actually talked to them instead of running to the forums to scream foul and griefer. Someone actually learned a little something about that STF that day, and it helped them become a better player.

Long story short: If you cannot put up with less-than-perfect players, then do not join PuG's. Period. If you have to have everything just so, with the best players and the best ships, then form your own groups.
Well said
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# 38
01-11-2013, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by gulberat View Post
I don't do STF's because I know very well I'm not up to it yet--and frankly, I do not want to go through the many sessions of getting yelled at from people who think everyone ought to be perfect, that I can see I would get if I tried.

That said...I will...um...confess to literally having had my cat run across my keyboard during Borg Red Alerts (which are the only way I will ever see an Omega Mark...at least people in Borg Red Alerts don't generally treat each other like trash even when they're horrible at it and we end up losing). She cannot seem to understand the rule "lap=OK, keyboard=BAD."

So I would make the following two points: Attitudes like what I am seeing here are the reason I don't even ATTEMPT to learn how to do STFs. And secondly, you DON'T always know what's happening on the other side of the keyboard and who really DOES have kids, crazy cats, or other things happening IRL, so don't be so hasty to judge and ostracize.
Also well said.

If you want a hand getting started in STFs, add Jinx@Bort1980 to your friends list and give me a shout sometime in game.
Commander
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# 39
01-11-2013, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax View Post
And when someone says "Storm tactics please" or "Avoid left " you presumably ignore them?

Remember the 10% tactic is not standard (or the only one that works)
Some people use other (better) methods

including the ever popular "Cruiser convoy" method (only works with at least 4 cruisers so don't use if you don't have 4 cruisers)
I'm a member of both PublicEliteSTF and EliteSTF, and I've never even heard of 'storm tactics' or 'cruiser convoy' lol. That isn't to say I don't know the tactics, I might for all I know, I just don't associate those specific tactics with the names you give them.

Like ISE's 10% rule. What if someone learned as part of a fleet that took the generators down to 15 or 20%? They would understand the tactic you refer to, but they would still have no idea what you are going on about if you just say 10% at the start of the match.

Another one is MRRML for CSE. I had no idea what that meant the first time I heard it, although once the term was explained to me, I realised that those were the tactics I had been following for ages.

So, it's not just as simple as barking out a single line at the start of the match to make sure that everyone is reading from the same page. Granted, you'll get some people who ignore you, and some who genuinely don't know what they are doing and for some unknown reason refuse to speak up, but a little clarity can go a long way towards preventing these matches from hell.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 40
01-11-2013, 05:39 AM
Cruiser convoy relys on the enormous power of a group of four cruisers to kick fifteen kinds of hell out of multiple targets

The cruisers form up and on mass attack the targets (usually anti clockwise) relying on Massive firepower and well basically spamming mines , plasma and torpedos to take down all the links in the chain
meanwhile the 5th ship flys guard

Storm tactics require multiple alpha strikes and usually works best with Three Birds of prey or escorts and a carrier

But every team has its own methods
its own terminology
and its own codes

for example The team I run with klingon side might have a team chat that looks like

"Go "
"5 l"
"5 R"
"5 C"
"Cover"
"A l"
"A L"

that means
starting
going left I do not need assistance
going right I do not need assistance
going centre I do not need assistance
Covering kang
Assistance needed left
Assisting left

See simple if you know what it means
But not if you don't

(the code numbers go up to 35 at the moment but we normally only need the first 12)
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