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# 61
01-11-2013, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
Torp Spread and Fire At will are good useful skills even in Infected Space. You just have to use them right. A carefully aimed tricobalt spread can waste a group of probes and heavily damage spheres.
Fixed it for ya, (no, no need to thank me...) here's a little observation, though...

TS/FAW/CSV all have their places-mostly in Infected, or guarding the time-gate in Khitomer.

They don't work so well in CSE. (Cure, Space, Elite, aka Cure Found Elite) nor do they do good service in the first stage of Hive Onslaught. getting focus-fired by several TAC cubes AND spheres isn't fun, and generally they tend to move as a group and act like a team when AOE moves go-Hive Onslaught (elite) punishes Area-spamming hard.

Likewise, CSE one can guage about how many minutes to mission fail by how many people are spray-and-pray at an up-angle at the stack-see, what happens is, first, they wake the Cube up, so it's already 'ready' to nail your interception man when it releases the next wave of BoP. Second, the damn spread-fire, when/if it actually gets more than one nannie, will do it first-row-second-row, spawning the first Negh'var, AND the first Raptor, both of whom will proceed to notice the area-spammer unless he's got a team-mate unfortunate enough to be within 10k.

You havent' SEEN funny, until the team's down two in Respawn, there are two Negh'vars, four A-Bops, and two Raptors closing on the Kang, and all three cubes are still standing...and the next SIX BoPs are already spawning..and there's a grand total of four Nannies down-two on Right and two on middle, the Cubes (all three) are AWAKE, making it a pain in the ass for anyone still trying to work probes...

except maybe when it was THREE "experts" AOE'ing THREE cubes, so you have THREE Negh's, each on a different vector, with escorts, and TWELVE bops coming assuming the team can get it together long enough to stop the first wave from reaching the kang.

AOE, on CSE, is idiocy for anyone NOT doing solo-Kang-Guard duty.

Beyond that-yes, 'tis possible to beat CSE without waiting until all the probes are down before killing the cube-but that is made considerably more difficult if the first cube you take down?

is the centre one.

RML only works with a good team specced the right way, who've got excellent communication between team members running the right builds, skills, and powers to pull it off.
It works, because you "Narrow" your front-less transit time to intercept the spawns and a better chance to use team-healing and focus-fire. Zipper the middle cube, and now you've got a divided front, less firepower and cooperation available to control the spawn, plus now you have to chew through both stacks-and do so before the Kang is toast.

wider frontage to cover is BAD, you want to narrow the channel, not broaden it, as the power of the spawn increases (along with frequency.)
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# 62
01-11-2013, 06:20 PM
Lol... Hehe. Good points I suppose. It's mostly the people who don't pay attention and use it indiscriminately. Which, sadly, is half the people who use it in PUGs...
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# 63
01-11-2013, 06:33 PM
I've stopped doing the Elites long time due to all the whining that goes with them, I no longer find them fun to do and yes I've read ALL the tips for Elite STF

may take longer in the long run to get things done but its better than putting up with the cry babies


and what the H is a PUG ??
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# 64
01-11-2013, 06:56 PM
Bah I still do elites all the time and honestly beyond intentional sabotage or using one of my less optimized alts have not failed one in a long time.

It does help if you bring half of the required DPS. You just gotta carry harder I always say. If it fails it is MY fault for not bringing enough damage. I even saved an ISE from a saboteur by slaughtering sphere spawns like it was a normal a week ago thank goodness I was on my Tac.
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# 65
01-11-2013, 07:30 PM
I had two Infected Elite STF's in one night where while we are hitting the 1st transformer a Klink in a carrier had his pets blow the Gen while we were still killing the Cube. And once the Cube was gone and we were trying to save the optional his BOP's were already killing a gen on the other side. And he wouldent respont to hails or Chat. Lesson? If you cant or won't control your pets do not bring a carrier to an STF. And also why is it that whenever you have someone who is completly screwing up an STF like blowing a Cube in Cure or Spawning 4 cubes and not killing them in Khitomer always off of Chat. You can PM them and type your butt of trying to get them to listen and they just keep on going with no reply.
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# 66
01-11-2013, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cdnstrider View Post
I've stopped doing the Elites long time due to all the whining that goes with them, I no longer find them fun to do and yes I've read ALL the tips for Elite STF

may take longer in the long run to get things done but its better than putting up with the cry babies


and what the H is a PUG ??
Pick Up Group. IE what you get from joining the public queue...

Half the time you get novice players. Occasionally a hard core D---... It's not always hard but sometimes.
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# 67
01-11-2013, 10:20 PM
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I'm even older. Beware the "stuff". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtL_PasQefI
And hotdogs that scream. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSmu_JDtzVM
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# 68
01-12-2013, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by admgreer View Post
I had two Infected Elite STF's in one night where while we are hitting the 1st transformer a Klink in a carrier had his pets blow the Gen while we were still killing the Cube. And once the Cube was gone and we were trying to save the optional his BOP's were already killing a gen on the other side. And he wouldent respont to hails or Chat. Lesson? If you cant or won't control your pets do not bring a carrier to an STF. And also why is it that whenever you have someone who is completly screwing up an STF like blowing a Cube in Cure or Spawning 4 cubes and not killing them in Khitomer always off of Chat. You can PM them and type your butt of trying to get them to listen and they just keep on going with no reply.
That is a troll. I have noticed an increase in the frequency of players intentionally sabotaging STFs. They ruin the optional then afk or bail.
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# 69
01-13-2013, 07:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crusty8mac View Post
I'm even older. Beware the "stuff". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtL_PasQefI
And hotdogs that scream. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSmu_JDtzVM
I think I got you both beat with this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOF-YOIBpvA

On topic, I've said before PUGs really aren't that bad. I've have almost exclusively done PUG STFs, since back in the days of the long form STFs. I've had many missed optionals, but only a a hand full of all out failures out of nearly 400 STF runs.

There are videos out of folks beating STFs in shuttles and tier 3 ships. So the theory that you need Uber Purple gear to do STFs is wrong.

If you want to do STFs without the possibility of failure do them with a well trained team. And maybe instead of screaming L2P NOOB at a guy for blowing a generator early, explain to them what they did wrong so they won't do it again next time.
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# 70
01-13-2013, 08:25 PM
If you read this entire post and others about the frustration players have about PUGS and SFTs you take away this: Its the lack of communication. People not having chat up or not speaking English. And players that have no Idea what they are doing or how to do it failing the mission for the rest of the team. They wont ask questions, they wont read the chat. They just go off on thier own and screw everything up. Being under powered is okay, Being new is ok, Just ask questions or read the walkthrough on the forums or just listen to what people are putting in the chat when your in the STF and everything would be much better. But AFK'rs need to be lined up and Shot.
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