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Rihannsu
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 11
01-12-2013, 09:37 AM
I don't think there should be any more factions. Certainly not before KDF is complete and not necessarily ever. We don't need another "stub" faction with missions copy-pasted from the Federation with slightly altered text.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 12
01-12-2013, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by erei1 View Post
I think the Romulan faction will be 10-20 lvl on new romulus, doing some Romulan mission.
Not sure if chasing bunnies is worth 20 lvl's of Gameplay, but seriously ... they would have to release at least 10 Romulan only missions for this ... considering it's already too hard to release 1 FE (5 Missions) per year and we haven't seen any KDF only Content for 2 years now ... i highly doubt even this ...

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I would hate to see Romulan warbird used by everyone, when a Romulan faction/race is available. I'm sure KDF would hate to see Klingon ships used by the feds, and vice versa.
Well the question is ... will a Romulan faction be available ... but there is always the possibilty of releasing "Reman Warbirds" ... or something like this ... Warbirds with a darker skin and without Battle Cloak i.E. ... considering I can't imagine what the next 4-5 Lockboxes should be, I'm gonna expect a Reman Lockbox at least ...

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Captain
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# 13
01-12-2013, 10:15 AM
Maybe since they would never add the old tos romulan bop to the game as a enemy ship maybe cos its too old (tho they use ent bop???) maybe that could be a lockbox ship. Not sure if the original ship on its own could be considered a t4/5 ship which is understandable but a refit of it perhaps tho keep the same looks as the original which i loved in balance of terror. Thats the only way i can see a romy lockbox without effecting the romulans as a playable race in the future.
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# 14
01-12-2013, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by fulleatherjacket View Post
Then why can't we have a D'deridex in a lockbox?
By putting the Deridex in a lock box, it'll feel cheap. If/When the Romulan faction comes out, people will have already had the Deridex thus it wont feel so special.

As mentioned already, it was regrettable that the Galor found its way to a lock box ship. They've admitted their error there. They're hardly going to go and make the same mistake again.

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I'll bet you that the battlecruiser will be a lobi-ship.
I think you're right. The Jem Hadar Escort will be the lock box reward, and the warship/battlecruiser will be the lobi reward.


I can't see a Cardassian faction (at least a full faction) ever being made anyway, so the Galor being prematurely released isn't a great loss. Same goes for the Jem Hadar ships; they'd be ideal within a Cardassian faction; be them as renegades from the Dominion, or a new Cardassian-Dominion alliance. Ideally, lock box ships should have always been ships that were unique, but not (so much) aligned to a major power (thus leaving the possibility of said faction open). With the Cardassian and Dominion lock box, I don't see us getting those factions. I'm surprised they've not thrown the Keldon into the lobi store yet either. Throw in a clock, you've got yourself another unique vessel.

Romulans? Yeah, eventually I expect we'll see them, but that's about as far as I can realistically see us going.
Lt. Commander
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# 15
01-12-2013, 11:29 AM
I would love to see a Romulan faction, so I don't really want the D'Deridex in a lockbox....but also I don't want a bastardized version of the Romulans to be released and have it be buggy, lacking storyline(*cough*someone said KDF?), or turn out like the Red team in general....that would just make people even more angry than they already are about the 1 & 1/2 factions that exist now. I don't think they ever planned on a Cardassian faction either, Dstahl just said he regretted using the Galor in a lockbox because he wanted us to think they had it in mind at one point. I sincerely doubt they are that forward thinking other than a general fear we will burn through their content faster than they can manufacture it.
Captain
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# 16
01-12-2013, 11:41 AM
I've said it elsewhere, but my hope is for a 'Misc' or 'Independent' faction, so everyone can pretty much make their own third/fourth/whatever faction.

Caitian militia, Gorn separatists, Orion cartels, Ferengi corporations, Mirror Universe refugees, fifteen different splinter Romulan groups claiming inheritance to the empire (which is realistic!), and so on.
Captain
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# 17
01-12-2013, 11:47 AM
Both a Romulan and a Cardassian faction could be lvl 50 only, unlocked when a player has either a Fed or KDF lvl 50 character. I know what you guys might think about an idea like this, 'NO! This is exactly what many KDF players have criticized so much about their faction!'. Yes, I know that, but I can't see Cryptic making a dozen FE's for a new faction when they make barely ONE in a year. Also who the hell cares about FE's anyway? Even a new player burns through all the official single player missions of this game within a couple days and reaches lvl 50. STO is all about Fleet Actions, STFs, Starbases, Reputation, PvP and Foundry missions. All endgame content. The rest is just the garbage you need to do to have access for the REAL content. Therefore I wouldn't mind to start directly at lvl 50 (or 40 and do a couple unique missions on New Romulus for FE gear) and then go immediatly to the fleet and Omega business. Provide one ship for each class (Raider: Romulan BoP; Escort: Mogai; Cruiser: D'deridex; Science: Romulan Scout vessel from TnG?) and of course access to eventual lockbox ships. Same could be done for a Cardassian faction.


Gozer once stated before he left that Cryptic planned a complete revamp of PvP with mixed faction teams. I therefore conclude that Cryptic is already planning on ending the war between Feds and KDF and presumably send them united against the Iconian threat. Pretty much like Dominion Wars reloaded, with PvP just a maneuvres for training purposes. A possible Romulan/Cardassian faction could join the fight.
It would lead to one big happy familiy in the galaxy, a notion which I don't really like (Star Trek is all about politics from the different factions, not one huge alliance), but I can't see anything else within range to be offered.
Captain
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# 18
01-12-2013, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by eisenw0lf View Post
Both a Romulan and a Cardassian faction could be lvl 50 only, unlocked when a player has either a Fed or KDF lvl 50 character. I know what you guys might think about an idea like this, 'NO! This is exactly what many KDF players have criticized so much about their faction!'. Yes, I know that, but I can't see Cryptic making a dozen FE's for a new faction when they make barely ONE in a year. Also who the hell cares about FE's anyway? Even a new player burns through all the official single player missions of this game within a couple days and reaches lvl 50. STO is all about Fleet Actions, STFs, Starbases, Reputation, PvP and Foundry missions. All endgame content. The rest is just the garbage you need to do to have access for the REAL content. Therefore I wouldn't mind to start directly at lvl 50 (or 40 and do a couple unique missions on New Romulus for FE gear) and then go immediatly to the fleet and Omega business. Provide one ship for each class (Raider: Romulan BoP; Escort: Mogai; Cruiser: D'deridex; Science: Romulan Scout vessel from TnG?) and of course access to eventual lockbox ships. Same could be done for a Cardassian faction.


Gozer once stated before he left that Cryptic planned a complete revamp of PvP with mixed faction teams. I therefore conclude that Cryptic is already planning on ending the war between Feds and KDF and presumably send them united against the Iconian threat. Pretty much like Dominion Wars reloaded, with PvP just a maneuvres for training purposes. A possible Romulan/Cardassian faction could join the fight.
It would lead to one big happy familiy in the galaxy, a notion which I don't really like (Star Trek is all about politics from the different factions, not one huge alliance), but I can't see anything else within range to be offered.

The reason why the KDF criticize this idea, is they have seen what it leads to, and it is never good for the health of the faction.

This is LITERALLY what happened with the KDF. it was released as a PVP faction. then a 20-50 faction which had to be unlocked before it could be played.

The result, Most players don't care about KDF. Because you are already too invested in whatever your previous character is. The result is KDF gets almost no development and even fewer "Toys" as there is no incentive to us what is a limited number of development resources on what is a relatively small number of the overall playerbase.

No, Cryptic should not release any new faction as a half/partial/PVP/ or end-game faction. Full faction level 1- max, or don't bother. Please don't make the same mistakes you did with the KDF.
Captain
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# 19
01-12-2013, 12:15 PM
The KDF should never been a faction in the sense of Red vs Blue and neither be some kind of bizarro Federation since the only thing they achieved was pleasing nobody.

People that wanted to play a Gorn ended up playing as Klingon Lizard, people wanting to play anything but a Klingon got stuck with playing as one and people wanting to play a Klingon end up on some strange version of the Klingon Empire.

The playerbase is not there because this is Star Trek Online, playing as a KDF character is not a different experience as a Federation officer but rather as a Klingon no matter what along with like minded Klingons no matter what with a utter pointless and nonsensical war that was only created to provide two excuses ... KDF races choices and PvP.

a Romulan faction can bypass that because they should have their own specific arc and then just go into the main story, this is what should happen to the KDF is Cryptic have the courage to go back and make the KDF the KDF ... not the United Klingon Planets even if that means decoupling the non-Klingon from the KDF and offering then a unique experience, even if its just some specific missions.
Captain
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# 20
01-12-2013, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by voyagerfan9751 View Post
The reason why the KDF criticize this idea, is they have seen what it leads to, and it is never good for the health of the faction.
This is LITERALLY what happened with the KDF. it was released as a PVP faction. then a 20-50 faction which had to be unlocked before it could be played.

The result, Most players don't care about KDF. Because you are already too invested in whatever your previous character is. The result is KDF gets almost no development and even fewer "Toys" as there is no incentive to us what is a limited number of development resources on what is a relatively small number of the overall playerbase.

No, Cryptic should not release any new faction as a half/partial/PVP/ or end-game faction. Full faction level 1- max, or don't bother. Please don't make the same mistakes you did with the KDF.
I must be quite unique as a KDF player. I only played a Federation character to unlock the red side and immediatly deleted him when I reached lvl 25. But even if the KDF gets lvl 1-20 content in season 8 I doubt there will be a bigger playerbase. Star Trek is Starfleet, most players only want to play Federation. I therefore understand why Cryptic works almost exclusively on the blue side, from a pure business point of view. It will be the same with Romulans and Cardassians, no matter if they start on lvl 1 or 50.

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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
The KDF should never been a faction in the sense of Red vs Blue and neither be some kind of bizarro Federation since the only thing they achieved was pleasing nobody.
This. This is exactly why we need more factions. The Klingon Empire barely deserves its name anymore. When I visit Q'onos I see more Gorn and Orions than Klingons, and the latter are mostly NPCs
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