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# 31
01-14-2013, 09:45 PM
Founders? Nah. Too canon- breaking and I say that as someone who cares little for canon. Vorta might be okay for a bunch of cowards.

Cardassians should be playable Fed characters like Ferengi are. They can make them a C-store species if they like.

True Way finding new strength after you spank them as Iconian agents is acceptable to me.

Also, this might bring back the Dominion Doff pack and I support that.
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It could be so easy.

I never understood why everyone wants the Romulans as a playable 3rd faction. They don't offer enough species and depth. Just the Remans and Romulans.

Why don't make the Dominion as a 3rd playable faction?
There, you could also play as the Cardassians! Or the Vorta, Jem'Hadar, Karemma, or many other species from the Gamma Quadrant. Or as one of their ally from the Alpha Quadrant, like a Miradorn or even Breen!
And as a special reward for the Reputation system you could become a Founder or something (they are quite used to genetic manipulation, so it's realistic enough). :-)

The possibilities are endless!
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# 33
01-14-2013, 11:18 PM
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# 34
01-15-2013, 04:19 AM
One possibility short of full membership is for the Cardassian Empire and the Federation to enter into similar arrangement between Japan and the US after WWII. The Federation helps rebuild the Cardassian state and the two become allies, but the Cardassians always keep their sovereignty intact post-occupation, allowing for a possible Cardassian faction independent of the Federation. Actually, now that I think about it, this is kind of what is going on in game already.

Thoughts?

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# 35
01-15-2013, 05:01 AM
Cardassia is already a de facto autonomous protectorate of the Federation. Plus, as many have said, by becoming a full member it effectively rules out a Cardie/Dominion faction anytime in the future.
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# 36
01-15-2013, 10:39 AM
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Cardassia is already a de facto autonomous protectorate of the Federation. Plus, as many have said, by becoming a full member it effectively rules out a Cardie/Dominion faction anytime in the future.
Not necessarily. Have you read Leviathan99's post? It's an excellent foundation for a True Way faction.
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# 37
01-15-2013, 02:13 PM
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The problem with this aspect is two fold.

1) it is VERY species specific. While I would buy that approach for a founder, it would not work for any other species in the Dominion. The Dominion does not request things of its "vassal" species. It orders it. If the other factions are any indication, dialogue is very agnostic. it goes by the approach that whatever species you are, you get the same dialogue.

2) My understanding of the Great Link is that it is all incompassing of the Founders as a species. They don't really need messengers as far as other Founders, because the Founders never leave the Link, except for business the Link feels is important, and then They go RIGHT back to the Link. They aren't likely to remain away long enough to need a vorta messenger.
You could be a Founder who is abroad to observe the galaxy for "a few years". The Founders have done this in the past.

It is true that there would be a minor issue with having NPCs talk to all members of the Dominion the same way. But this would really only be for races that are members of the Dominion. Outsiders would have no reason to address a Founder in awed whispers. There are a variety of reasons for members of the Dominion to treat the commander of a Jem Hadar Dreadnaught with respect. "Itchy trigger finger" is probably one of them.

Honestly, the main hurdle with playable Founders is that they don't work the same way as humanoids. Wearing armor, a shield, and carrying weapons? Sure it's possible, but.... they usually don't.
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# 38
01-18-2013, 01:11 PM
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You could be a Founder who is abroad to observe the galaxy for "a few years". The Founders have done this in the past.

It is true that there would be a minor issue with having NPCs talk to all members of the Dominion the same way. But this would really only be for races that are members of the Dominion. Outsiders would have no reason to address a Founder in awed whispers. There are a variety of reasons for members of the Dominion to treat the commander of a Jem Hadar Dreadnaught with respect. "Itchy trigger finger" is probably one of them.

Honestly, the main hurdle with playable Founders is that they don't work the same way as humanoids. Wearing armor, a shield, and carrying weapons? Sure it's possible, but.... they usually don't.
It just sounds like too much of a departure from everything else in the game to be practical. Cryptic would likely have to design race-specific weapons or give them a ton of unique traits.
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# 39
01-18-2013, 01:35 PM
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Not necessarily. Have you read Leviathan99's post? It's an excellent foundation for a True Way faction.
No because you people get strange ideas of what the Cardassian Union and the True Way are.

The True Way were a bunch of terrorists that wanted Cardassian to return to their old ways and we all how that turned out to be ... a reminder.

Battle of Cardassia

The Carsassian Union just come out of a devastating war that claimed millions of Cardassian lives and many of those lives were claimed by their own allies, a return to the old ways would mean they are a bunch of *******, a two dimensional caricature that is in no way allowed to evolve.

Like the Borg.

Also behind the True Way in STO we have the New Link that existed only because of Laas own paranoia over "solids" and after the mission its unclear what the New Link will do, we do know the Dominion officially cut all ties to changelings on the Alpha Quadrant.

People that want a Cardassian Faction appear to want the DS9 Cardassian Union and that is not going to happen, unless the writers are so coward to bend backyards and just press the reset button to appease a fanbase that want a never changing two dimensional caricature.

We have the Borg, I really wished we actually done something with the Borg besides fanwanking and fanservice using the very worst examples of the Borg without using the actual good stuff that come from it (7 of 9 and Hugh) but rather the really dumb crap (Borg Queen).

At least we can do something with the Romulan because there is something to do with them, not pressing the Reset Button so hard on the Cardassian its like a Voyager Episode.
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# 40
01-18-2013, 01:42 PM
I think i'v said it before , but Cardassians an Romulans are in a similar situation both getting re built after disaster and both former enemies of Fed and KDF but now getting help from them.
Romulans are abit more run down at least Cardassia wasn't blown out of the galaxy so in that respect Cardassia is more stable.

Both Factions worked together before even if it wasn't a large operation and in someways the way they operate goes well together , with the slyness and efficient ways.
So a Crady Rom faction could work with two governing bodies in coalition and part of the story is dealing with the internal friction and tie in a good alliance between the peoples of each faction and also bringing the powers and militant force back to each faction and removing the true way problems and the various romulan groups or even the Romulans that join the cardassians could be the groups against new Romulus

Races could be , Cardassian , Romulan and Reman (of course). Then Hirogen and Alien and maybe Alpha jems in c-store.

Then put in a common sector block above Bete Ursae between Orellius and Sirius joining up to alpha cent and/or Iota Pav.

Just an idea that could move the story along with a nice dramatic shock rather than absorption or reputation systems sponging off Feds and KDF also rings two big powers into one faction so less factions to run and make and people can play more races they like.

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