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At first, I thought 30k dil for a single item that was virtually free a few months ago was steep, but I adapted. With 4 characters to produce dilithium each day, 30k is attainable. I dont mind 10 BNP's, and I can generate millions of ec's with little effort for the token material exchange. One thing I am struggling with is the 194,000 expertise points to buy myself MKXII gear, space and ground.

If it were another character I had been playing for years, it would be alright, I would have 3 million 'useless' expertise points, but I made this character after season 7 started, so on top of the terribly boring wait and grind just to unlock the XII store, I have to endure more grinding to generate.... 384,000 Expertise points for a single space and ground set. For a GAME, this seems a lot more like WORK then Fun.


Let me put a finer point on it for you, CRYPTIC:

The ONLY thing stopping me from rushing to the Perfectworld.com right now and shelling out $25 to buy Dilithium (at 87 dil per Z, even) is the fact that no matter how much Dilithium I had, I would still be a long time from being able to generate the rest of the 384,000 expertise points I needed to buy what I want, and that is to say nothing of Adapted Gear, which I would no doubt spend more $$ for more DIL to get. By the time I get that much expertise, I will have enough DIL to buy... Everything in the Zstore. FOR FREE.




You are losing money, and making the game less fun. Just think about it.
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# 2
01-13-2013, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pulserazor View Post
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LOL. I'm sorry, I couldn't help but laugh. Could I recommend you do Borg Incursions? That's 15 minutes of your time and about 5-8k expertise (depending on your damage level etc). Also you can do the Investigate officer dailies for expertise. Oh and don't forget system patrols (10 minutes TOPS) and all your other dailies. Also you can re-do missions, you can do enemy encounters... oh and did I mention the foundry? Most of those missions give expertise at the end.

Now if you are just doing STFs for expertise, yeah, good luck. But doing all the story missions alone (something I bet you didn't do) gives you an excess of almost 2 million expertise. If you did the mirror event to hit 50 quick, guess what, you can use it to gain lots of expertise as well. Oh, and did I mention DOff missions? No? Well those give good expertise too (at least the longer timed higher level ones, especially if you crit).

There are so many ways to get expertise that your post is actually a joke more than anything. Sorry man.
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# 3
01-13-2013, 12:27 AM
I second heretick's reply.

I've leveled 4 toons to T5 Omega and Romulan reputations, and bought sets of new gear for each. In the cases of the two toons I play the most, experience is in abundance and not a problem. My top xp toon still has 3 million unused.

That was not the case for my Klingon and fed engineering toons. Both suffered from a lack of experience to burn. The Klingon I levelled to VA in 3 days, but when I started the reputation systems, he fell behind quickly. I just finished him a few days ago, and yes, it was frustrating.

But the reality is if you need xp - look for the STF events designed for it. Mirror Universe is all about xp, doesn't have a cool down, and an efficient player can run it 4-5 times in an hour. Each run will generate you 15-30 K per run so 100K in xp isn't an unreasonable expectation.

Just a thought.

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# 4
01-13-2013, 02:59 AM
idk guys, it still seems like a lot of work to me, I am doing the foundry and the story missions... again. Im even doing patrols, for a pittance of expertise. Point is expertise shouldnt be the Big currency, it should be dilithium. If im gonna be starved for something, let it be dilithium, that way I can pay money for it. Im happy, perfectworld gets rich, we all win. Instead, I have to be stuck repeating missions I have done countless times, waiting for mirror events, exploiting the foundry, etc etc: instead of PvP'ing, helping my friends, building my starbase, and enjoying myself. The time investment is too steep, its P2P. I have $, I want to Play. I will Pay.

I think there are two things any game company should ask: "Is it fun?" and "Does it generate revenue?" - Grinding Expertise points is not fun, and you arent making money whilst I do it, in light of the fact that I couldnt spend Z/Dil on anything even if I wanted to because I need nearly half a million "repeat-this-pve-content-again" points, and that amount again, when I want an alternate ground space set, costumes, etc.

Lower the amount of expertise, that is all I ask. I can see no reason in making expertise more valuable then dilithium.

Last edited by pulserazor; 01-13-2013 at 03:10 AM.
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# 5
01-13-2013, 03:10 AM
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idk guys, it still seems like a lot of work to me, I am doing the foundry and the story missions... again. Im even doing patrols, for a pittance of expertise. Point is expertise shouldnt be the Big currency, it should be dilithium. If im gonna be starved for something, let it be dilithium, that way I can pay money for it. Im happy, perfectworld gets rich, we all win. Instead, I have to be stuck repeating missions I have done countless times, waiting for mirror events, exploiting the foundry, etc etc: instead of PvP'ing, helping my friends, building my starbase, and enjoying myself. The time investment is too steep, its P2P. I have $, I want to Play. I will Pay.

I think there are two things any game company should ask: "Is it fun?" and "Does it generate revenue?" - Grinding Expertise points is not fun, and you arent making money whilst I do it, in light of the fact that I couldnt spend Z/Dil on anything even if I wanted to because I need nearly half a million "repeat-this-pve-content-again" points
I am F2P. Not P2W. And I am sorry that you are suffering, but we already stated that there are easy and many ways to get expertise. And it really isn't a lot of work. I mean, seriously? A regular mission on normal takes what, 15 minutes tops (depending on mission) and gives you upwards of 5k expertise. System patrols will give you 5-6k easy. Borg Incursions give you upwards of 4k. And the new Romulus missions give you 1700 each. And the Q race gives you 1700. Expertise is very easy to get. And again, if you played all the story missions to begin with, you should have at least 500k in reserve, if not more. And as you stated, you only need 384k.
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# 6
01-13-2013, 03:17 AM
384,000 / "5k/15 minutes" = 20 hours of gaming. THtas just for one maco space and maco ground set.

Then I want the omega set. 10 hours.

"Adapted" set? 10 hours. PER.


I dont know how much time everyone else has, but I think waiting for another week for something because I didnt repeat enough pve content yet is UNreasonable.

Its not a matter of expertise being easy to get. Of course its easy. Point is: Its Boring. Q-Race? I did that for about 4 days then I decided that I didnt like 'chores'.

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# 7
01-13-2013, 03:21 AM
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384,000 / "5k/15 minutes" = 20 hours of gaming. THtas just for one maco space and maco ground set.

Then I want the omega set. 10 hours.

"Adapted" set? 10 hours. PER.


I dont know how much time everyone else has, but I think waiting for another week for something because I didnt repeat enough pve content yet is reasonable.
Yes, it is reasonable.

Unless you meant to put unreasonable, in which case I will skip my usual instant gratification rant and just call you lazy and say you have no commitment to the game and finish with my usual if you don't have the patience and commitment to give time to this game, then you are undeserving of the rewards of such kinds of commitment.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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# 8
01-13-2013, 03:28 AM
Mirror event + 1 hour xp boost from the exchange. You can make serious expertise there, not to mention a bit of dilithium and some loot at the same time.

Also, if you don't have much time to play, line up as many big doff expertise rewarding missions as you can and you can get some expertise between sessions, if you wait to turn the doff missions in when you activate the xp boost you can make more expertise.

All this you can do and you don't even need to play for more than a couple of hours, if even that.
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# 9
01-13-2013, 03:35 AM
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Yes, it is reasonable.

Unless you meant to put unreasonable, in which case I will skip my usual instant gratification rant and just call you lazy and say you have no commitment to the game and finish with my usual if you don't have the patience and commitment to give time to this game, then you are undeserving of the rewards of such kinds of commitment.

I have put in the time, on many toons. I have generated Millions of fleet credits, I never had a problem putting in 'work' until now, that I am forced to repeat content that neither makes me a better player, or presents me with any novelty.

How about this: Give us more Expertise for PvP. Or better yet... Reduce the amount of expertise needed for T5 store purchases. It wouldnt hurt to have a little support here, not everyone is playing on a 2 year old character banking xp. Some of us are new in s7, and have spent a lot of expertise respeccing boffs and experimenting with different things, buying different project rewards and experimenting with them, etc. Happily spending the dil/Z$, I might add.

I have characters with millions of expertise btw, just not this one, and it is Sci, so there have been a lot of 'experimental' purchases/respecs involved.

Its my fault, for starting in Season 7 I guess.

Also, thank you for your suggestions, tbh, I hadnt really given the mirror event grind much thought after 50.
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# 10
01-13-2013, 04:49 AM
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I have put in the time, on many toons. I have generated Millions of fleet credits, I never had a problem putting in 'work' until now, that I am forced to repeat content that neither makes me a better player, or presents me with any novelty.

How about this: Give us more Expertise for PvP. Or better yet... Reduce the amount of expertise needed for T5 store purchases. It wouldnt hurt to have a little support here, not everyone is playing on a 2 year old character banking xp. Some of us are new in s7, and have spent a lot of expertise respeccing boffs and experimenting with different things, buying different project rewards and experimenting with them, etc. Happily spending the dil/Z$, I might add.

I have characters with millions of expertise btw, just not this one, and it is Sci, so there have been a lot of 'experimental' purchases/respecs involved.

Its my fault, for starting in Season 7 I guess.

Also, thank you for your suggestions, tbh, I hadnt really given the mirror event grind much thought after 50.
Well think about it this way. You have all those characters. With all that expertise. And all those resources. But guess what? You put in lots of time on THOSE CHARACTERS. So why would you expect to get the same thing those characters have with a small fraction of the time spent?
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Tired of Wasting EC and Time trying to get Superior Romulan Operative BOffs? Here's a cheap and easy way to get them, with an almost 100% chance of success.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder.
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