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Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 15
# 61
01-15-2013, 04:12 AM
Sorry for my bad english ^^

I do NOT agree with this rules

In all games i know it is normal, that in PVP the players always try to play the best they can play, AND use the best equipment in their eyes - this give a chance too to find *YOUR OWN PLAY STYLE*

When i read your rules, i get the feeling, that you are too much in the arena, and dont want spend time in the (pve)game, to grind for example for a better equipment - But this PVE is also part of the game, and in every arena i know there is also to see a mirror of the business possiblities of a gamer

So i cannot understand, that you want forbid things wich are normal available for EVERYBODY, for example in the exchange

Please dont think now that i love the *pay to win PVP* - but if everybody would fly the same ship with the same equipment, dont you think this will become boring?

Cya in the Arena

Tacko ^^
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,294
# 62
01-15-2013, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mancom View Post
No. I think the MVAM and ships that followed it lead to a loss of ship class identity and a decline in balance between ships. (Just look at how the Feds now basically have every sensible boff layout that the BoP can run without any of its drawbacks.)

And removing the incentive to acquire lockbox ships is a good thing in my opinion.

Or are you talking only about the original VA token ships?
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Career Officer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 679
# 63
01-15-2013, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kyntakko View Post
In all games i know it is normal, that in PVP the players always try to play the best they can play, AND use the best equipment in their eyes - this give a chance too to find *YOUR OWN PLAY STYLE*
Ask yourself one thing: What would your setup look like if you were to make a team for a tournament without any ship/class/ability/item restrictions and it was your intention to win the tournament at all costs?

Currently, teams are still playing more or less "clean" because the only thing you can gain by winning is the respect of your fellow PVPers and one would destroy that reputation if one played some of the really evil, but effective setups.

If this "currency" of respect were to be replaced by something else, like monetary prizes from Cryptic for winning a tournament, we would probably see the rise of teams that are willing to win at any costs, no matter what it does to their reputation. After all, what do they care how others see them if they get the grand prize in the end?


ClassicPVP is an attempt to go back to the days when the only restriction for tournaments was "no more than 3 sci captains" because the rest of the game was suffieciently balanced. By excluding almost everything that was added after that point in the game's history it aims at restoring the game to a point of balance where matches are decided by clever setups and perfectly executed strategies instead of the size of one's wallet and one's willingness to endure the pve grind.

Yes, this may not be the standard grind-heavy MMO approach to PVP. It's closer to the "everyone has immediate access to the same pool of abilities" philosophy that allows competitive matches in StarCraft or sports games like FIFA.
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Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 14
# 64
01-15-2013, 08:21 AM
Okay I see this as an attempt at a 'balanced' pvp tourney environment, and that's all well and good. It could be fun, however I have to agree that for that to be possible:

No consoles at all allowed. (That's right no normal tact, eng, or sci.)
No Duty Officers at all allowed.
No Bridge Officers with passive traits ie: Human/Lethean
No Hybrid Weapons.
No ships other than the choices one gets for free as leveling up. (Also, no limit to teams on how many of what ship. To do so only gives one side FED/KDF or the other an advantage.)
No Engine/Deflector/Shield sets at all.
Carrier hangars should be limited to what normally comes with the ship when you first get it.
No LAN teaming.

(Still how is the veteran buff dealt with?)
(What about deaf players? Should the use of any voice chat also be banned? Then you have the people who can't type so should also all chat window use be banned?)

Sweet and simple. Anything else really is a joke.

Last edited by xiltyn; 01-15-2013 at 09:25 AM. Reason: missed some restrictions and added questions
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 282
# 65
01-15-2013, 03:43 PM
we have a tourny already being planned, maybe you can get this postponed.
Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 66
01-15-2013, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by polie05 View Post
we have a tourny already being planned, maybe you can get this postponed.
Well there are a ton of EX STO players that have all left or log in once a week... that would gladly come back for a classic tourny.... so don't worry the people that would be playing are unlikely to be the same group of people.
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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,730
# 67
01-15-2013, 09:03 PM
**** yes. Convince QEW to comeback for this tourney.


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Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 236
# 68 Lets Do It
01-16-2013, 10:16 AM
Classic PVP Tournament

What a great idea, I have done something similar in the past and it was a blast. It really allows even the newest players to PVP a chance to compete with the pro?s on a level playing field.

I think that weapons and consoles should be limited to MkXI rare (Blue quality) to give everyone a fair shot at the title. Sets like the Ageis, jem, and Breen should be allowed as anyone can pick them up in missions or crafted. Also hybrid weapons should be allowed as well for the same reason as the sets. But if not I won?t hurt my feelings as the regular MkXI Shields, engine and deflector is what I plan to use.

Also the cross faction teams, wicked idea. The only question I really have is, will the c-store RA ships be used?

I myself am far more interested in attending the Classic Tournament, I have played them before and at the end most people had a great time they leant something and there was very little bickering after words. Other Tournaments, what can I say, exactly the same as above except the total opposite

Spanks Monkey Great Job
Kraven@LIVIN

P.S.
If u need any help promoting this tournament, I would be pleased to help

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Last edited by livinrtb; 01-16-2013 at 10:19 AM.
Captain
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 663
# 69
01-16-2013, 02:59 PM
Shall we try to get a TS meeting set and discuss the remainder rules so we can get this started? Im itching to get the gear availble so i want to know in advance what ground rules are. Essentially though, what was availble in 1.2/2.0 would be the limit.
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 499
# 70
01-16-2013, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by devorasx View Post
Shall we try to get a TS meeting set and discuss the remainder rules so we can get this started? Im itching to get the gear availble so i want to know in advance what ground rules are. Essentially though, what was availble in 1.2/2.0 would be the limit.
^^^

Bootcamp TS is available for such a meeting.


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