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# 21
01-17-2013, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by alexhurlbut View Post
Yeah I agree with you on that and it's weapon pod, not sensor bar. I do think the Akira can deploy normal runabouts though, just not in an intense combat launching mode.

And you mean the CG Model like this one? http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...akira_back.jpg

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/...e-akira-class/ according to his entry, that rear view is taken of the Lightwave imported model used for the DS9/Voyager episodes.
On DS9, at least on their first runabouts, it was extra sensors. I never looked at the in-game model.

But if a runabout can barely squeeze in, a Peregrine certainly cannot, as they are about 50% higher, or about 8-10 meters high. Those might have a tough time fitting into a galaxy class cruiser.
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# 22
01-17-2013, 02:04 PM
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You would be quite wrong on so many levels. The Akira was conceived of as a carrier crossed with a torpedo ship. Nearly 500 meters long, pushing 400 meters wide, with almost the entire "saucer" being taken up by hangar space. She's a Heavy Cruiser, but Cryptic shoved her in with escorts 1/3 to 1/4th her size for god knows what reason. Scale in STO is beyond terrible on many, many ships. I'll be nice and save the crew compliment rant for another thread as well.
Maybe that is how it was conceived originally, but that is not the size it was shown on screen. Cryptic's model is to scale with the studio model and the one shown in First Contact.

The scale for this ship is more or less correct in the game.
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# 23
01-17-2013, 02:09 PM
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Maybe that is how it was conceived originally, but that is not the size it was shown on screen. Cryptic's model is to scale with the studio model and the one shown in First Contact.

The scale for this ship is more or less correct in the game.
Wrong.

Ex Astris does a very good job breaking down the sizes here (result is appearances from 330 to 500m in length, a calculable range from 330 to 522m, and with a final verdict at the mid 400s).

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...akira-size.htm

And just for kicks, the First Contact Akira is actually the largest at 499m.

The DS9 tech manual lists the length at 460m, width at 320m, and height of 90m.

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# 24
01-17-2013, 02:12 PM
I can agree that eng boffs can use shuttle launch as a skill, but so can any ship with what a ltcmdr or cmdr eng station at the cost of crew, not sure if hangar pets cost crew or not, but if they don't than using shuttle attacks from a cruiser eng is not a substitute for being able to genuinely having it's shuttle bays as a viable pet source of ships even if it was to be limited to 1-3 shuttles launched vs a hangar ship having full array of tactical pets with multi hangars launching mass ammounts of lil pests. I only suggested they be allowed at least a 1-3 shuttle launch while hangar ships have 5min ships launched per hangar bay with 2 or more hangars, not something thas gonna kill a hangar ships useage any, i mean and oddy can launch a freaking escort out it's tail end why can't a normal cruiser be able to launch a few pesky shuttles or are we not rooting for the fed home team or klingon if that is the faction you're playing with.
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# 25
01-17-2013, 02:19 PM
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Wrong.

Ex Astris does a very good job breaking down the sizes here (result is appearances from 330 to 500m in length, a calculable range from 330 to 522m, and with a final verdict at the mid 400s).

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...akira-size.htm

And just for kicks, the First Contact Akira is actually the largest at 499m.

The DS9 tech manual lists the length at 460m, width at 320m, and height of 90m.
500 Meters would put it at nearly the Length of a Galaxy class ship, and you can tell just by the scaling of the windows that such a length is ridiculous. Those windows would be nearly 3 decks high, and personally, I am not buying that claim. It is a pretty small ship as it is shown on screen.

No Starship has ever been shown having windows > 1 deck.

And I am not wrong. Since the dimensions are never specifically stated in canon, there is no correct answer.

From where I sit, the evidence in favor of it being so large is highly suspect, especially given the size of the windows shown on the saucer section.

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# 26
01-17-2013, 02:24 PM
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500 Meters would put it at nearly the Length of a Galaxy class ship, and you can tell just by the scaling of the windows that such a length is ridiculous. Those windows would be nearly 3 decks high, and personally, I am not buying that claim. It is a pretty small ship as it is shown on screen.

No Starship has ever been shown having windows > 1 deck.

And I am not wrong. Since the dimensions are never specifically stated in canon, there is no correct answer.
1) The Galaxy class measures out at about 650 meters long, 200 meters high and 470 meters wide. An Akira comes nowhere near that size (roughly 1/5th the volume).

2) On more than one instance the Defiant, a ship that is in reality quite small, is shown being dwarfed by an Akira.

3) Are you seriously claiming that dimensions created by, signed of by and verified by the creators and producers of the shows in which said ships appeared are not canon simply because they contradict your claims, or that you don't like them?

4) STO is terrible when it comes to small ship scale. Shuttles, fighters and smaller starships (raiders, BoPs, Defiants, etc) are incredibly oversized. Cruiser and larger ships are mostly to scale to each other, but not at all to smaller craft.

Last edited by stirling191; 01-17-2013 at 02:29 PM.
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# 27
01-17-2013, 02:26 PM
I support the 420-440 meters length as those are supported by the designer's statment (saucer is same width as the sovereign's saucer width) and the CGI model in comparison with Sovereign (lifeboat scaling).

Logicalspock, you have to accept there are things you will not be always right about. Better to keep an open mind than to be regarded as a tellarite.
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# 28
01-17-2013, 02:26 PM
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And any ship is capable of launching playable shuttles.
Are we talking about the same game here?

Because unless we're talking about the consumable fighters, the only ships in the game that can launch shuttles or fighters in combat are the carriers and the carrier hybrids.

I'm thinking of various TNG episodes where the Enterprise was operating with one or more shuttlecraft deployed.

I'm not arguing for turning cruisers into quasi-carriers. I do think being able to launch one shuttle for point defense is not a game-breaker, though.
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# 29
01-17-2013, 02:31 PM
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Cruisers CAN use shuttles. It's called Boarding Party.
Too bad BP is a joke.

Was it ever worth using? I don't recall.

I'm not aware of any good reason to use it now, since it takes the place of far more useful BO powers.
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# 30
01-17-2013, 02:31 PM
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Are we talking about the same game here?

Because unless we're talking about the consumable fighters, the only ships in the game that can launch shuttles or fighters in combat are the carriers and the carrier hybrids.

I'm thinking of various TNG episodes where the Enterprise was operating with one or more shuttlecraft deployed.

I'm not arguing for turning cruisers into quasi-carriers. I do think being able to launch one shuttle for point defense is not a game-breaker, though.
I like the idea of launching only one wing of 2-3 shuttles or shuttlepods from your consumable device (50 uses or whatever) that alway act in Point Defense mode.
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