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# 81
01-23-2013, 01:37 PM
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Doesn't one of the reporters on the B mention it? It could have just been about the first Enterprise to be commanded by someone else in forty years, but I think it was implied she was the flagship. Why else must there always be an Enterprise in the fleet?
Just watched it a couple days ago... I think she just says "This is the first starship Enterprise in 40 years without James T. Kirk in command..."

Terrestrial navies, on which Starfleet is often based, traditionally pass on ship names. And not just Enterprise either. In-universe we have multiple Defiants (Why they didn't keep the TOS registry number and add a letter to it, I don't know, maybe cause it was an experimental ship or maybe cause the DS9 writers goofed), multiple Saratogas, possibly multiple Bozemans, multiple Bellerophons (one is a Nebula, seen briefly in the DS9 pilot intro, the other is an Intrepid from DS9 s7), multiple Prometheuses, etc.

Organizations like Starfleet like their traditions
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# 82
01-23-2013, 03:55 PM
Honestly, I don't see any Enterprise prior to the B being Flagship. Archer's was the first warp 5 ship, and was the most advanced ship in a 'fleet' of very few vessels by the look of it. In my mind, neither the 1701 or the A were flagships. Some other ship took that title. But given how illustrious the two Enterprises were under Kirk's command, and how important the NX was in her day, that's when they decided Enterprise was a ship that kept having a hell of a career and so they made the B the flagship.


Was the C a flagship? Impossible to say. But I'm going to say no. The D was certainly. The JJprise was. Was the E ever actually confirmed as the flagship? Most advanced ship in the fleet, yes. But flagship? Of the 9 Enterprises that have been seen (including the F), only 3 were actually ever confirmed to be the Flagship. 4 if Archer's ship was ever indicated to be (can't remember, but I don't think it was).
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# 83
01-23-2013, 07:26 PM
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Wow dude, chill. My post was not intended to be an insult to some organization or website that I've never heard of. It was not a comment on you personally. I don't know you, and nothing in my statement reflected on when you became a fan. I'm a journalist in real life and even though I have a healthy ego, I know enough to know that no news organization, no matter how lofty it's goals, always prints the truth. Whether for nefarious reasons or on accident, we all get things wrong. And if your site is the only one that matters, why didn't it turn up in any of my searching today?
We aslo had journalist who worked as super moderator and lived Calif.I don't have as much patients as I use to.Why didn't it show up becasue you weren't looking for games.Then again the link is in my sig where you could of searched through.

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But whatever, I was simply pointing out that according to the sources I found, the movies appear to have made money. Perhaps my language was a bit tactless, fine. And I already admitted I was wrong about Nemesis because I didn't consider advertising budget.
They didn't make the money that was budgeted which is why they lost money after Generations with the death of Kirk.You don't go off and kill an icon which most of the baby boomer fans walked away from and gave up on Star Trek.

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But I offered numbers and sources to back up my statement. Where are yours?
Where are your number at memory alpha it is a wiki which anyone can change the information on.I know from several sources not just the net but publications and this has been known since 2001 that all TNG movies lost revenue due to poor box office sales.

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Funny thing though, the point of your original post was that there's never going an Enterprise B movie, which I completely agree with. We're in the JJ verse now, like it or not.
I said it is JJs baby now didn't I.

btw The official fan club Magazine was forced to close down due to poor subscriptions The Communicator.

Data is when it comes to canon of all thing sown on the screen.

@jcp26

Archers ship is set in alternate universe as there was no NX1701 ad was not the forst Starship Enterprise if you watched TMP with models on the rec deck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...XCV_330%29.jpg
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# 84
01-23-2013, 07:55 PM
The Enterprise is always the Flagship of the Federation as it's the flag ship of Star Trek....anyone even if they never seen Star Trek knows the Enterprise


Now lets make sure History never forgets the name Enterprise

Speaking of Enterprise B DST finally released their Enterprise B and I got my hands on her and SHE IS SEXY!....and also the BOP which was even Sexier

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# 85
01-23-2013, 08:21 PM
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We aslo had journalist who... (snip)[/url]
And still you post no evidence here to support your claims, and without that, as far as I can tell they are merely your opinion. Even agreeing with you on a point doesn't seem to work.

And I've lost interest in the conversation.

Back to the B.

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The Enterprise is always the Flagship of the Federation as it's the flag ship of Star Trek....anyone even if they never seen Star Trek knows the Enterprise
Oh she was famous no doubt. In universe and out.

But does famous = flagship? There has to be other ships with equally illustrious records right?
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# 86
01-23-2013, 08:41 PM
In regards to the Enterprise appearing because of a crisis, yes, obviously I get the idea behind why she would. However, even so, doing a daily Rom grind for Rom marks on a daily basis I have never seen the ship come and help me to do what takes me mere minutes to complete with my own ship. Clearly just a 'perk' to continue the illusion of being really in the Trek universe.

Anyways, in regards to the Enterprise being the flagship; to my knowledge this was NOT the case in the TOS show nor the initial movies. The Enterprise was actually nearly forty years old when they decided to decomssion her in ST III. After all, she was not always Kirk's ship... Lets not forget Captain Pike! As a kid I recall reading too that even before Pike there was another captain (Archer?!) of the same ship! So the idea of the E running around still is not implausible given, as pointed out, she would have only been thirty years old. Its not like the ship could have fallen victim to rust in outer space!

I only recall her being referenced as the flag ship for the B, D and E (F of course in STO). Missing gaps just leaves room for fans to use their imaginations and create their own storylines.
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# 87
01-23-2013, 09:04 PM
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After all, she was not always Kirk's ship... Lets not forget Captain Pike! As a kid I recall reading too that even before Pike there was another captain (Archer?!) of the same ship!
That would be Robert April. That was the name of the captain in Roddenberry's original pitch. The name never made it to filming though, got changed to Pike.
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# 88
01-24-2013, 05:41 AM
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Archers ship is set in alternate universe as there was no NX1701 ad was not the forst Starship Enterprise if you watched TMP with models on the rec deck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...XCV_330%29.jpg


Well, you know, that was made a bit before the series Enterprise started. And I think I did read somewhere there is a special edition that may have put the NX in there (not sure on that).



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The Enterprise is always the Flagship of the Federation as it's the flag ship of Star Trek....anyone even if they never seen Star Trek knows the Enterprise

No. The ship is the flagship of Star Trek. But that does not mean it's automatically the flagship in show. After all, The Galactica is the best known ship of Battlestar Galactica, but that ship was 40 years old and about to be retired. She wasn't the flagship.
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# 89
01-24-2013, 05:55 AM
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Well, you know, that was made a bit before the series Enterprise started. And I think I did read somewhere there is a special edition that may have put the NX in there (not sure on that).
My "Director's Edition" DVD says...nope.
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# 90
01-24-2013, 06:22 AM
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Depends if you consider the books canon.

(snip)

....The ship was lost in deep space in 2329 after the crew contracted an unknown infection.
So ... their dumbass Captain decided to "Kirk it" and brought home some nasty alien STD ?
Why am I not surprised that his end could have been something so hilariously bad ?
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