The moderators have erased two threads in the last hour...you mentioned the players will save the PvP but not Cryptic. Maybe they could get offended and delete you...

"Feds don't have ASDs, AA, nor Leech. KDF can now run Leech and MACO."
Do you understand, P2wsucks?

The way I look at it is this:

Ker'rat and the queues are likely to remain the bring whatever.

Players (with Cryptic support but w/o any admission of their being anything wrong) will run their leagues, private matches, schedule things in OPvP or on the forums, with certain rules, etc, etc, etc.

This actually plays out in Cryptic's favor (and a reason for them to support it). They can continue to sell more and more "stuff" that folks will use in PvE or in situations where they know they're as likely to face as much as they bring.

There are PvP folks that won't use certain things in PvP - but they'll use it in PvE.

Understanding that Cryptic needs to make money - it's easy to understand how they're going to add things that easily make PvP more frustrating. Have to step back to see that. It's there though. No denying it. If Cryptic doesn't make money - there's no STO.

So yep, Players (w/Cryptic's "support" - and - I probably should have said that) can fix and keep PvP alive. Cryptic can't... not because they're blubbering idiots - no, nothing like that - but the simple financial aspect of it - they need to offer stuff that sells. It's against their best interest in a twisted sense, against STO's best interest in a twisted sense...to do otherwise.

So the PvP community comes together - Cryptic offers the support they can... and PvP can thrive. I mean, it's what everybody's trying to do now - no?

i bet the leech will be the lockbox crossover for the feds.

Fleet Shields are better than MACO, Leech is OP b/c of gain not the drain, AA is very easy to avoid. Pets on KDF are much more limited in terms of ship types than feds are. Those ships don't fit the hit and run playstyle well either.

Compare that to phaser, TB and Cront pet spam by potentially EVERY Fed ship type. In some cases they can also fit DHCs for ship classes never designed to fit them. Again, the Fed Escort and Sci options are better by the numbers than KDF options.

Linked it shortly ago, but Bran said in a thread he closed that it wasn't going to be Leech...

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=520371

Look, if Virusdancer can't persuade you, I really don't have any chance!
Anyway, I don't want the toy console or moar spamming capability...I'd simply like my 9 points in Power Insulator were useful because the evul Klinguns 9 points in Flow Capacitors work really better...
Regarding the usual objection "but you Feds aren't able to counter our spam or sucking Orion females, it's your fault"...well...against a single Carrier it's possible, I know this, but try when pugging and you find two or three Carriers...nah, absolutely nah...

Persuade? I was just trying to explain why some folks don't have fun against the KDF - including KDF not wanting to fight other KDF...and why those folks might have less of an issue with FvF (and why some KDF hope that some Feds will take the chance on FvK).

It's like the Bop...I know this KDF vessel is fragile and can only perform hit and run tactics, I know the special cloaks cost in terms of less hull, slots and weapons.
A single Bop is a joke...but when two or even more Bops, thanks to their universal Boff play together, one Tac specialized and the other Sci specialized, they become a terrific war machine.
Individually the KDF vessels aren't superior to ours, but their peculiar characteristics make them awesome if they fight together.
And obviously they are piloted by the most experienced and skilled players of STO, you evuls deserve this!

Wait wait wait. Another cross faction console is inbound? I wonder what I do first: uninstall or join OPvP to find some "no cheese" matches to play. And then I will think what is worse.