Rihannsu
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# 11
01-20-2013, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post
As of right now I have 400 or so lobi in 3 characters and the one character than actually needs and can use lobi items can't purchase them because that toon doesnt have enough lobi.
That's your own fault for opening boxes on toons that don't need the lobi. All other lockbox items are unbound, there is no reason to open any on a toon that doesn't need lobi.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 12
01-20-2013, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post
I stopped buying zen or anything for that matter since the Lobi idiocy came out.

The Lobi needs to be bound to account. Period.

This really lame excuse that they dont make it bound to account because of 'free lobi' available in the game is as STUPID as saying they'll lock Zen per character because you can convert dilithium to zen from any character.

If they really are that dumb to hang on to the free lobi excuse then REMOVE THE FREE LOBI and be done with it.
So let me get this straight, rather then have lobi you can get without paying a dime, you would rather buy all your lobi, just so you could transfer it from one character to another?

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this logic? Granted the bound to character part is annoying, but if it enables cryptic to give me free lobi rather then take it away, I am fine with it.

Yes, the current amount of free lobi is rather small, but with the system as it is, they can always add more ways to get more free lobi. Free is never a bad thing as far as I am concerned.

And I am with others, at best you should only have 2-3 useless lobi on any one character at a time. Lock Boxes are not bound. If one character has all the lobi it needs then move the boxes to another character, who needs the lobi, either via the account bank or mail system and have them open the boxes. Again, the items are not bound, so if you really want that Temporal Science Vessel, or Galor or whatever on a different character, Mail it to them. Don't keep opening random boxes for something you can trade over on a character that doesn't need the lobi, which you can't.
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# 13
01-20-2013, 08:43 AM
The most outrageous thing about the lobi store is the prices.

Do the maths. If you buy zen, trade it for keys and open boxes for the lobi, a single item that costs 200 lobi works out at nearly $30.

Thats for 1 item for 1 character.
Rihannsu
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# 14
01-20-2013, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by seekerkorhil View Post
The most outrageous thing about the lobi store is the prices.

Do the maths. If you buy zen, trade it for keys and open boxes for the lobi, a single item that costs 200 lobi works out at nearly $30.

Thats for 1 item for 1 character.
No, thats for 38 items. The 1 lobi store item + 37 other items from the boxes you opened to get the lobi.
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# 15
01-20-2013, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by warpangel View Post
That's your own fault for opening boxes on toons that don't need the lobi. All other lockbox items are unbound, there is no reason to open any on a toon that doesn't need lobi.
They were not unbound from the start. This is where people ended up with lobi all over their characters. Even today some lockbox items are bound on acquire and so, one toon ends up with lobi and has no need for lobi items but another toon does...and player DID pay for the lockbox and its contents.

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Originally Posted by voyagerfan9751 View Post
So let me get this straight, rather then have lobi you can get without paying a dime, you would rather buy all your lobi, just so you could transfer it from one character to another?

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this logic? Granted the bound to character part is annoying, but if it enables cryptic to give me free lobi rather then take it away, I am fine with it.

Yes, the current amount of free lobi is rather small, but with the system as it is, they can always add more ways to get more free lobi. Free is never a bad thing as far as I am concerned.
The logic is this: you CAN get free lobi through buying keys via dilithium grinded zen & store purchase of keys or by buying keys in the exchange.

Problem remains there are bound on acquire items that come in lockboxes and you end up with lobi in toons that dont need lobi items. Allowing a transfer of lobi to the toons that can use it makes sense. Not allowing it because once a year there is an event that gives an insignificant amount of free lobi (Which takes a lot of time to gather and even a LOT more time if its a multi-toon farmer) is just stupid. Remove the free lobi and let people transfer lobi around their toons is an excellent solution. If they want to give free lobi then all they need to do is make a damn holiday/special event mission that gives it out in a controlled fashion.

Thing is, I think they just dont do it because it would take time and a little effort to re-code it and its better to merely ignore the problem rather than fix something they cannot monetize.

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No, thats for 38 items. The 1 lobi store item + 37 other items from the boxes you opened to get the lobi.
Items that are mostly worthless in terms of ECs and utility. The chances of winning the high value items is so low you wont be getting a ship or a special item by opning those 37 boxes. I should know, I opened 50 at a time and got absolutely nothing. all green/blue useless items hardly worth EC in the vendor.
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# 16
01-20-2013, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by seekerkorhil View Post
The most outrageous thing about the lobi store is the prices.

Do the maths. If you buy zen, trade it for keys and open boxes for the lobi, a single item that costs 200 lobi works out at nearly $30.

Thats for 1 item for 1 character.
There's a fallacy though, in a sense - in thinking about some of the items.

Consider the Recluse. 800 Lobi. Figure an average of 5-6 Lobi per Lockbox. So you're looking at 133-160 keys or so, eh? 173-208m EC, 16.6-20k Zen, 1.4-1.7m Dil...

...when you can pick up a Recluse on the Exchange for ~74m.

Looks pretty bad, eh? But it's ignoring all the stuff you got from those 133-160 boxes. Along the way, you might even get the EC you need to buy the Recluse off the Exchange. You can then use your Lobi for something else or get more Lobi to get something else.

So it's not nearly $30 for that 200 Lobi item... it's $30 for that item and all the stuff you got from the boxes to get the Lobi...


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# 17
01-20-2013, 10:35 AM
I can see both sides of the argument. On one hand you should be only opening boxes on the toon that really needs it. Managing your toons is a part of the game.

On the other hand, character bound lobi makes future planning impossible. The next lobi weapon and console may be perfect additions to one of your toons, but of course you won't know this until said console or weapon is announced. Most likely after you've opened boxes with another toon.

Based on the above arguments I feel that lobi should be account bound to encourage more boxes to be opened. To facilitate this PWE needs to geed rid of those ridiculous free lobi or create green lobi. (I can't remember the post but someone once suggested that regular orange lobi be account bound and the lobi that you get free should be green character bound lobi. Brilliant idea.)

Personally, I'm happy with the fact that the amount of character bound items is relatively low. You have the Feregi set, the Wells set, Rules of Acquisition and some personal items/weapons. I don't see the weapons being great enough to lose sleep over, the Rules of Acquisition don't provide enough entertainment to have on more than one toon and in the grand scheme of things unless you have a D'Kora or Wells/Korath you're not going to want more than one or two pieces of the Ferengi/Wells sets.

As a suggestion to players, as you play the game you will invariably accumulate EC. Save it up and buy the occasional key. Save them for new lockbox promotions as you know they're here to stay. That way you can a) have a chance to win new ships, b) make lobi for the toons that need it and c) spend as little real money as possible whilst still participating.
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# 18
01-21-2013, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
On the other hand, character bound lobi makes future planning impossible. The next lobi weapon and console may be perfect additions to one of your toons, but of course you won't know this until said console or weapon is announced. Most likely after you've opened boxes with another toon.

Based on the above arguments I feel that lobi should be account bound to encourage more boxes to be opened. To facilitate this PWE needs to geed rid of those ridiculous free lobi or create green lobi. (I can't remember the post but someone once suggested that regular orange lobi be account bound and the lobi that you get free should be green character bound lobi. Brilliant idea.)

Exactly. This is the issue. I have the bulk of my lobi on one character...who was trying to save up for the tholian carrier. I lost interest in the tholian carrier when the next lockbox brought an item which one of my other toons could use and that would've brought my happiness level up higher than acquiring the tholian carrier ever would.

...and since there was no way to transfer the lobi and no chance in hell I'd split my lobi even further between characters in a futile attempt to collect enough lobi for it I simply stopped even bothering with lockboxes altogether.
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# 19
01-22-2013, 04:48 AM
This is truely repressive game play imo.
One good example is the Crystalline to MK XII. I have Crystalline kits on multiple characters, but the MK XII conversion is in the Lobi store, and bound on pick up.
Did I know which toon would need the MK XII conversion when I opened the lock boxes on another toon looking for a bug ship? Hell no, how could I?

But you can bet that Cryptic is right there to prevent me from moving that Lobi to the toon that needs it. I would rather not buy any more Lobi from Cryptic than invest in the same amount that is required for lock boxes that I don't need, while the original amount just sits there. It's stupid.

Sorry Cryptic, your policy is fail. I will keep my money until you sort it out.
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# 20
01-22-2013, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by cletusdeadman View Post
This is truely repressive game play imo.
One good example is the Crystalline to MK XII. I have Crystalline kits on multiple characters, but the MK XII conversion is in the Lobi store, and bound on pick up.
Did I know which toon would need the MK XII conversion when I opened the lock boxes on another toon looking for a bug ship? Hell no, how could I?

But you can bet that Cryptic is right there to prevent me from moving that Lobi to the toon that needs it. I would rather not buy any more Lobi from Cryptic than invest in the same amount that is required for lock boxes that I don't need, while the original amount just sits there. It's stupid.

Sorry Cryptic, your policy is fail. I will keep my money until you sort it out.
The problem with your example, is there is no need to open the "bug Ship" on the character that needs it. In my experience, and I have opened several lock boxes, there is no Prize in the lockbox that is bound to character. at worse there are a few items that appear to be, for lack of a better word, bound to faction, so you would have to be a Klingon if you want the Klingon duty officer cadre. But this does not apply to the big prizes like the Galor, D'kora, etc.

So if you need lobi on one character and want a Galor on another. Open the lockboxes on the lobi one. If you get the galor. Either stick it in the account bank, or mail it to yourself and have the one that needs it get it.
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