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# 21
01-21-2013, 05:09 PM
You might want to look at this way for the price of 2k you get 3 ships in a pack which is heck of deal being the Oddy.It is really up to you the ball is in your court.

btw The Oddy can support cannons singles and turrets.
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# 22
01-21-2013, 05:16 PM
Waiting a couple weeks will cost you Zero Zen. Plus you can bank more EC to get yourself setup plush in the new ship. I'm personally looking forward to the next offerings from Cryptic.

That being said, I really do enjoy the Regent and the Tac Odyssey (with Chevron separation). It should be noted that when separated the Tac Odyssey's turn exceeds the Excelsior's but it costs a slot and if you die, well prepare to wait.


The Excelsior (for now) is probably the best of the Federation fleet, but I don't prefer the appearance.
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# 23
01-21-2013, 05:57 PM
The 3 Oddy pack is a great deal, but I don't know, it just doesn't call out to me. And I do like how the Excelsior looks, its just a matter of if I should wait and see what is released later, or buy a ship now.

And disk separation is cool, but I think I can pass on that part. I may get a ship with that later, but for now I'm just looking for a step up from the Assault Cruiser.

And to be honest, I really want the Fleet Assault Cruiser, but it would take too long to get it and I really don't feel like grinding towards it. And how is the Excelsior in PVP and PVE compared to the Oddy in PVP and PVE?
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# 24
01-21-2013, 06:34 PM
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The 3 Oddy pack is a great deal, but I don't know, it just doesn't call out to me. And I do like how the Excelsior looks, its just a matter of if I should wait and see what is released later, or buy a ship now.

And disk separation is cool, but I think I can pass on that part. I may get a ship with that later, but for now I'm just looking for a step up from the Assault Cruiser.

And to be honest, I really want the Fleet Assault Cruiser, but it would take too long to get it and I really don't feel like grinding towards it. And how is the Excelsior in PVP and PVE compared to the Oddy in PVP and PVE?
Ok, so this thread got me thinking about the Enterprise B and in particular the Excelsior as a ship. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Breen ship but being a Fed character in a Fed uniform I got to missing being in a FED ship. I also found this video on the Excelsior which discusses the benefits and perks of this ship (the original and the retrofit version). The video is entitled Star Trek Online - Excelsior-class Heavy Cruiser Showcase.

So after due consideration research I bought the Fleet Excelsior yesterday from my starbase. Everything I have read thus far is that it has the best turn rate for a cruiser and with PVE and PVP in mind I read too that for a tact captain it is probably the most viable cruiser. Of course everybody will have their opinions.

Anyways, I have only had it for 24hrs and decided to go for the single cannon build as described in the video but with some modifications to suit my own play style. Instead of four rear turrets I have two. I finish the rear with the borg cutting beam and the Omega Torp. My Boff skills are slightly different, particularly where tactical is concerned and have both scatter volley 1 and rapid fire two. For more info on my build just PM me in game as I don't want to bore everyone here but suffice it to say after the initial 'breaking in period' I decided to take it into a few Elite's.

End result: Surprisingly nimble and with the 180 degree single cannons loaded in front a great treat for cannon loving folks like me. I had my doubts at first but so far its been pretty great. I want to run a few more tests and will probably change out the Omega Torp to another turret in the rear but thus far because of the short recharge time for single cannons its a thing of beauty when equipped with the right powers. I was put off at first by the three Eng Boffs and one Sci (ran three tacts on my Breen escort) but so far its actually less work with satisfying results.

Built with PVP in mind I do have some healing powers too to help out escorts. It's obviously not as powerful as my Breen due to having just single cannons up front but suffice it to say it holds its own and it was so far worth the purchase. If you can get the fleet variant (four tactical console slots loaded with appropriate consoles to increase Disruptor damage) and give it a go. After work I was worried today but a few games tonight have belayed any fears altogether. It's a keeper and if your like me, it's as close as your going to get to flying an original movie series ship in the 25th Century! (This ship would be perfect with two universal consoles and in a Connie skin... what can I say, I cant help but love the A more than the B)

Good Luck!
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# 25
01-21-2013, 06:45 PM
Well, I only have the free version of the Ody, so no separation, but it certainly strikes me as quite difficult to maneuver stock. The separation has a 5 minute CD, and cuts the hull strength down to 35,700 (rather than 42k normal or 39k normal Excel) and shield strength to a 1.09 modifier (compared to 1.15 normal and 1 normal Excel). Of course, there's also the Fleet Excel if you have T3 shipyard, with 4 tac consoles, a 1.1 modifier, and 42,900 hull. My thinking would be that you're better off not relying on a 5 minute CD ability for everything you've got, but that's an opinion thing, and the Aquarius might make the difference. I once went 1 on 1 with someone who had it, and I quickly realized that I could survive him indefinitely with my RSV so long as the Aquarius wasn't up, but when it was I started getting beaten down fast (then I killed it and was clear for 5 minutes) (and no, he wasn't all that good, but then I wasn't that much better).
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# 26
01-21-2013, 11:30 PM
A quick breakdown, as I have the Ody three-pack, the Excel-R and the Regent.

In relation to the Assault Cruiser...

* The Excelsior-R is the fastest of the three ships (excluding Odyssey saucer sep, which I'll get to later). It is the cruiser that is most suited for cannons, in all likelihood, and has outstanding turning and inertia. You trade in some tankiness for it, though.

The Excelsior-R's bonus, the transwarp jump, has little tactical value unless you're chasing Red Alerts, but it's a neat time saver. However, the Fleet Excelsior-R costs $25 in FSM (5 of them) - but for $20 you can get the C-Store unlock, and then pick up the Fleet Excelsior-R (1 FSM now that you have the C-Store unlock), so you "break even" in that sense and get an account-wide unlock for the C-Store ship. However, it's still less tactical than the Regent in terms of BOff powers, though the Fleet Excel-R does have the typical fleet ship advantages.

* The Regent is the 'battleship' of the sub-Odyssey ships, I would say. It is slower than the Excelsior-R, and slightly slower than the stock Assault Cruiser (as what would be an engine power bonus is directed into the weapons). It is in most ways a side-grade for the existing Assault Cruiser.

The Metreon Gas cannister isn't much good IMO - it's kind of like explosive warp plasma, so if you're a fan of eject warp plasma you'll probably like it, but I've never had much luck. The wide-arc QTorp, however, is pure awesome, and I highly recommend it. It gives you something quite useful for just about any ship that isn't an escort, and it's pretty handy even for escorts.

* The Odyssey is a huge, lumbering pile of fortress that by sheer coincidence someone put engines on. It is considerably more armored and shielded than the others, and if set up properly with the universal slots it has the capacity to be the "most tactical" cruiser with up to 6 tactical BOff abilities. However, in such a setup you're inviting a lot of problems with tossing out tanking and power boosts, so buyer beware there.

If you're going to run the Odyssey the best is the three-pack. This is the maximum flexibility available and, with all three consoles, will boost both the ship's speed slightly, and help with set ability cooldowns, plus some slight set boosts. However, this drops your available consoles from 10 to 7. Furthermore with the three-pack you can choose the hull and try them all out. I favor the tactical hull, as SA requires a constant target lock of over a minute to exceed the third tactical console's damage output, or something along those lines (I forget the math, but it's been crunched).

The saucer separation is neat - it basically turns the Odyssey into what's nearly the fastest and best shielded cruiser in the fleet. However, it is limited with a lengthy cooldown, and you're also out of luck if you're, say, in a mission wherein you need to warp between systems. Plus, it does not change the Odyssey's fundamental nature - a slow, lumbering pile of fortress. You have to be willing to deal with the fact that you'll probably be spending a large percentage of the time merged.

Work Bees are a neat bonus, but the Aquarius I wouldn't carry unless I had to to get the set boosts.

For what it's worth, I currently use the Regent mostly. There's a synergy with it that I have that I don't with other ships, although I plan on swapping back to the Odyssey someday. The Excel-R is also neat sometimes, too, so none are bad ships.

Finally, in terms of the differences between the Free Ody and the C-Store Ody - all the world. The Free Ody is a gimped version of the Science Odyssey with no set consoles, no SA, and no additional console slot. Truth be told, saucer sep is what sold me on the new Ody set, and although I don't use it as much as I used to I am quite satisfied with my purchase, whereas I struggled to find a use for the Free Odyssey as a tac. This is not to say that it is unusable or anything like that, as it is a good ship, but it's more a slower, tougher Star Cruiser than anything resembling the tactical cruiser line.
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# 27
01-22-2013, 06:09 AM
Fleet Excelsior with single cannons is awesome. I have this and a bug and I find myself flying this more and more..
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# 28
01-22-2013, 07:03 AM
Don't forget the tactical Odyssey, the Lt. Cmd. Universal Slot allows some interesting options on tactical abilities and give it a lot of firepower.
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# 29
01-22-2013, 04:03 PM
Also another question about the Excelsior, since it's an old ship, is it a good ship to buy at this time? Or could it possibly be replaced in a few months by the Ambassador? It's been a good ship for the longest of time now, they would have to eventually replace it. Unless that's what the Oddy was meant to do.

And so far the Oddy has seemed to be a decent ship to give a second chance, but I don't know, I am just not feeling the Oddy.

Also thanks for all the feedback and help guys, I didn't think I'd get this many responses
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# 30
01-22-2013, 04:10 PM
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Also another question about the Excelsior, since it's an old ship, is it a good ship to buy at this time? Or could it possibly be replaced in a few months by the Ambassador? It's been a good ship for the longest of time now, they would have to eventually replace it. Unless that's what the Oddy was meant to do.

And so far the Oddy has seemed to be a decent ship to give a second chance, but I don't know, I am just not feeling the Oddy.

Also thanks for all the feedback and help guys, I didn't think I'd get this many responses
idk, wait for the ambassador to come out, it may be a fine offensive cruiser. And if it isn't you can still get whatever you want.

you could go straight for the fleet version of the excelsior...2500 zen or fleet ship modules from the exchange.
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