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# 21
01-23-2013, 02:40 AM
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Well, Turbine's efforts are geared towards delivering a Middle-earth experience in LotRO. By that token, I don't want to compare to LotRO so much as I would like to see Cryptic's efforts become geared towards delivering a Star Trek universe experience.

I just don't feel like Cryptic takes the IP seriously enough.

I am an MMO fan on one hand. I am also a fan of Lord of the Rings, AND of Star Trek. So when I came to STO and to LotRO, I came as a fan of those IPs respectively. The biggest fundamental difference between STO and LotRO is that while LotRO was designed in such a way that the game's mechanics were wrapped around the IP, STO was designed in such a way that the IP was stretched around the game's mechanics.

Look at Risa... We have a beach, some hammocks and some trails to explore. We don't have the risa resort that was shown in the shows.

In Lord of the Rings Online, if I climb to the top of Weathertop, I find scorched earth, and the G-rune with the three marks that Gandalf left there. Someone who doesn't really care about Lord of the Rings likely wouldn't notice it. But anyone who calls themself a Tolkien Reader would automatically find themselvs looking for it, and smiling with pleasure at finding it.

To me it's not about which game is "better" so much as it is about which game puts forth a better effort to be true to its source material. I really wish I could say that it is STO. But as one who loves both Star Trek and Lord of the Rings, I would be lying if I did.
You're also ignoring two major aspects in this debate. STO's team is still rather small. It's hard to make a lot of story content and places to go when you struggle to fix bugs and to create one new social/adventure zone every year. I think the "Trek feel" you're talking about is existing on new romulus though. It's not a perfect place but it makes sense.

The other issue is that most of the Star Trek IP is based around philosophy, ethics, and scientific munbo-jumbo (TNG), finding a way to punch aliens in the face after 25 minutes of weird and slow character interactions (TOS), or around character interactions (DS9), and these elements aren't easy to bring into a game. It's really easier to make something looking like an IP if half of the said IP is counting your kills with a dward, sending fireballs in your enemy's face, or finding new ways to behead your opponent.

Middle Earth is at war, Star trek's galaxy isn't, and it's easier to build a MMO around epic battles rather than ethics.

I may agree with you as a TNG fan but i'm also aware of the fact that it's a game and popular games are those where you kill stuff.

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# 22
01-23-2013, 03:27 AM
I voted LOTRO. In light of the recent lockbox fail, it was the only choice....
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# 23
01-23-2013, 03:28 AM
The results of this vote were no suprprise to me.

LOTRO has about two dozen books and 4 movies defining its IP.

STO has half a dozen TV series most of which went 7 seasons, 9 movies and a few hundred books defiining its IP that span a few hundred years of development. (no not all of it canon) but still...

This was never a fair comparison.

Love both games, ditched LOTRO to become a lifer on STO.
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# 24
01-23-2013, 03:33 AM
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You're also ignoring two major aspects in this debate. STO's team is still rather small. It's hard to make a lot of story content and places to go when you struggle to fix bugs and to create one new social/adventure zone every year..
Really? Your gonna bring this out again as a defense.

I think this is the only tool left in the locker for those still trying to defend this game and it gets tiresome.

So basically, Cryptic weren't big enough to take on such a large and famous IP and what you see is what you get? Maybe they shouldn't have had it in the first place only having a small team and not able to do the IP justice.

I blame Atari, CBS, Perpetual, but mostly Cryptic for this IP in name only single player mmo...

I may not be a big fan of Lotr, but at least it feels alive and feels like Middle Earth. This, well you know how I feel.

I notice Bran didn't put this "poll" in federation news.
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# 25
01-23-2013, 03:35 AM
You know if Lords out Twitter STO, the Dev's will Facebook and most likely run away and Google them self's.

I so don't want to be around when that happens...........

Beside I can't vote, I don't have Twitter, just a life.

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# 26
01-23-2013, 03:46 AM
From the contest page:
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Which do you think does a better job of translating its source material into a fun MMO?
I really like STO. I prefer to play that rather than Lotro (I did played it for a while). But if I would vote (I don't) I would vote for Lotro; much more consitent and true to its IP.
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# 27
01-23-2013, 03:52 AM
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Really? Your gonna bring this out again as a defense.

I think this is the only tool left in the locker for those still trying to defend this game and it gets tiresome.

So basically, Cryptic weren't big enough to take on such a large and famous IP and what you see is what you get? Maybe they shouldn't have had it in the first place only having a small team and not able to do the IP justice.

I blame Atari, CBS, Perpetual, but mostly Cryptic for this IP in name only single player mmo...

I may not be a big fan of Lotr, but at least it feels alive and feels like Middle Earth. This, well you know how I feel.

I notice Bran didn't put this "poll" in federation news.
Give them their due, they are at least consistent, which is something Cryptic only dreams of unless you include lockboxes.......
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# 28
01-23-2013, 04:05 AM
the better game surely is LotR, but it is not really a fair comparison in my opinion. The 2 games have literally nothing incommon other than being f2p. The setting couldn't be more different.

a fair comparison would have been star wars galaxys...which also had space combat and ground combat and was a scifi game, but is now gone and never was f2p.

i rather liked a comparison of f2p games some time ago, where they compared different aspects of games, instead of the games as a whole.
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# 29
01-23-2013, 04:36 AM
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the better game surely is LotR, but it is not really a fair comparison in my opinion. The 2 games have literally nothing incommon other than being f2p. The setting couldn't be more different.

a fair comparison would have been star wars galaxys...which also had space combat and ground combat and was a scifi game, but is now gone and never was f2p.

i rather liked a comparison of f2p games some time ago, where they compared different aspects of games, instead of the games as a whole.
Pre NGE, SWG beats STO. After NGE, SWG beats STO (and I hated the game after NGE).

Still it wasn't F2P, so it's not a fair comparison and it had a bigger team as some will rush to say too...
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# 30
01-23-2013, 05:29 AM
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Really? Your gonna bring this out again as a defense.

I think this is the only tool left in the locker for those still trying to defend this game and it gets tiresome.

So basically, Cryptic weren't big enough to take on such a large and famous IP and what you see is what you get? Maybe they shouldn't have had it in the first place only having a small team and not able to do the IP justice.

I blame Atari, CBS, Perpetual, but mostly Cryptic for this IP in name only single player mmo...

I may not be a big fan of Lotr, but at least it feels alive and feels like Middle Earth. This, well you know how I feel.
I like the fact that you quoted the most unimportant argument i gave, while you "forget" to answer to what really makes the difference between those games, which is the nature of the IPs themselves. One is about heroically slaughtering evil guys between two unending and boring descriptions (in the books), which makes a very easy and obvious MMO translation, the other one is much more complex.
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