Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 1 is Fed v Klink pvp dead?
01-17-2013, 01:45 PM
In the last few days i have returned to fed v klink PvP i thought things would have got better i instructed my team to stay together and by and large they did, did we win? Hmm no was it close Hmmm no. whilst we were focusing on a klink ship a BOP (the one that fires cloaked) was hitting me like crap with mines and torps all hull damaging of course, not to mention the old tractor repel BS, so being a sci i sensor scanned and tractored him which had no effect and i lost him and he continued to hit me with torps completely immune from all defensive and offensive measures, meanwhile my power is getting drained and he continues to pound me with transphasics and plasma. So i tried repel tractor beam 3 and still i cant kill him by now he has killed me 3 times whilst i have either tried to get him or one of his colleagues.

Now this prototype appeared in Star Trek VI so cryptic decided to put it in the game, ok thats fine, so cryptic if your going to introduce BS like that, which makes some one hard to kill or to detect giving them the tactical advantage, then surely its time the feds got some of the stuff from the show. For instance the transphasic torp, no not the one available to all! the one in End game from Voyager! you know the ones that blew a Borg Cube! wasn't that a fed weapon? or maybe just for good measure the secrete Cloaking device that appeared in TNG the one the feds promised not to build as a treaty stipulation with the Roms, You know guys the Transphasic Cloak, it allows ships to pass through solid objects and more importantly weapons pass straight through the ship and it fires cloaked!, since all treaties are off the feds would have developed it further and deployed by now, is nt it time the feds got these since they were in the show. I still dont recsall seeing klink carriers and Acetone as-simulators, and certainly the defaint would have a battle cloak wouldnt it? no wait a minute it did! how many times in DS9 was it being fired as it cloaked? answer many.

So back to Fed v fed pity i enjoy PvP but i am not playng handicap PvP which is presently what fed v klink is and before all you guys get on and come out with the same old BS this the reason i retired my klink char which was my first right at the start of the game, just isnt a challenge it was easy then and even eassier now! Feds my advice just do fed v fed at least its even
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,392
# 2
01-17-2013, 02:04 PM
Tractoring prevents cloak, you should have stuck w/that and VM (to disable his aux) and time SNB appropriately. Even if he has APO up, the TB will put his cloak on a 20 second cooldown. The VM will mess w/his aux and engines. EWP is good as well.

If the target is using KHG, stick to debuffing the target and have your escorts kill the target. Brels are relatively weak.

BFI, PH, Aux2Sif, HE, Aux2damp are all options to boost hull resists and or repair. Aux2damp counters stuns too if the Brel was using Trics.

The attacker Rom Rep placate proc is annoying, but is dependent on weapon power, another reason to have VM.

TBR has a max target limit and likely wouldn't clear all the mines, using your own mines may have been a better alternative.

Scramble Sensors (on the mines) may be an option as well, Idk its status regarding if its bugged or not.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,114
# 3
01-17-2013, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cent11 View Post
In the last few days i have returned to fed v klink PvP i thought things would have got better i instructed my team to stay together and by and large they did, did we win? Hmm no was it close Hmmm no. whilst we were focusing on a klink ship a BOP (the one that fires cloaked) was hitting me like crap with mines and torps all hull damaging of course, not to mention the old tractor repel BS, so being a sci i sensor scanned and tractored him which had no effect and i lost him and he continued to hit me with torps completely immune from all defensive and offensive measures, meanwhile my power is getting drained and he continues to pound me with transphasics and plasma. So i tried repel tractor beam 3 and still i cant kill him by now he has killed me 3 times whilst i have either tried to get him or one of his colleagues.
Are you sure you were within range for tractor?

If he moved outside of your range shortly after you initiated the tractor beam, he may have moved out of your range.

My B'rel has been caught by the tractor beam many times, because I was flying too close. Now, I try to stay 5+km away from my target to avoid Sensor Scan and other decloaking abilities. I also use Jam Sensor when I've been revealed and I run away as quickly as possible.

Since B'rels typically do not have to worry about weapon power or shields, all of my power is diverted to engines and auxiliary. If you want a better chance at catching the B'rel, target their auxiliary if you can. If you can't, be sure that you are as close as possible before you try to tractor them.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 112
# 4
01-17-2013, 04:06 PM
When I fly my Tac and I know a B'rel is spitting torps out in the match. I'll usually scan for them, and when they decloak to fire, I tag them with Fire on my Mark, and stick close to them and try and hit them with a buffed "alpha" or a THY or BO. I can usually pop them before they get away.
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# 5
01-17-2013, 05:16 PM
so somebody outplayed you using all thier skills and availible abilites and it means the feds should run back to fvf pvp?

thats brings back such memories of how the feds ran to the Devs to make a fvf que just for this reasoning in the first place.

How sad. When one cant compete in a single match, run hide in fvf.

As others have already stated, there are ways to kill a B'rel, just as any KDF can be killed.
Of course its hard to kill a KDF vessel if you refuse to fight them.
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# 6
01-17-2013, 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cent11 View Post
In the last few days i have returned to fed v klink PvP i thought things would have got better i instructed my team to stay together and by and large they did, did we win? Hmm no was it close Hmmm no. whilst we were focusing on a klink ship a BOP (the one that fires cloaked) was hitting me like crap with mines and torps all hull damaging of course, not to mention the old tractor repel BS, so being a sci i sensor scanned and tractored him which had no effect and i lost him and he continued to hit me with torps completely immune from all defensive and offensive measures, meanwhile my power is getting drained and he continues to pound me with transphasics and plasma. So i tried repel tractor beam 3 and still i cant kill him by now he has killed me 3 times whilst i have either tried to get him or one of his colleagues.

Now this prototype appeared in Star Trek VI so cryptic decided to put it in the game, ok thats fine, so cryptic if your going to introduce BS like that, which makes some one hard to kill or to detect giving them the tactical advantage, then surely its time the feds got some of the stuff from the show. For instance the transphasic torp, no not the one available to all! the one in End game from Voyager! you know the ones that blew a Borg Cube! wasn't that a fed weapon? or maybe just for good measure the secrete Cloaking device that appeared in TNG the one the feds promised not to build as a treaty stipulation with the Roms, You know guys the Transphasic Cloak, it allows ships to pass through solid objects and more importantly weapons pass straight through the ship and it fires cloaked!, since all treaties are off the feds would have developed it further and deployed by now, is nt it time the feds got these since they were in the show. I still dont recsall seeing klink carriers and Acetone as-simulators, and certainly the defaint would have a battle cloak wouldnt it? no wait a minute it did! how many times in DS9 was it being fired as it cloaked? answer many.

So back to Fed v fed pity i enjoy PvP but i am not playng handicap PvP which is presently what fed v klink is and before all you guys get on and come out with the same old BS this the reason i retired my klink char which was my first right at the start of the game, just isnt a challenge it was easy then and even eassier now! Feds my advice just do fed v fed at least its even
Brels are slippery but they are also the weakest ship in the GAME.

The player in question outwitted you with knowledge of his ship. Not to be mean but your sci should've/could've CC'd him long enough if your team was coordinated.

Admittedly, the siphon/aceton stuff KDF is bad, so I won't really disagree with it and the state of kvf. That is more the fault cryptic and the players that exploit the obviously broken mechanic. Once that finally gets fixed (still waiting, I'd add) those players will have to get better or stop queuing.


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Anyway, the queues can and do suck but that's not a reason to stop queuing. The spam is mad on both sides. Take your lose and get better.

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# 7
01-17-2013, 06:38 PM
If it was spaming mines and torps how was it draining the OP. PL doesnt work with torps or mines as far as I know..... Did the B'rel drop an assimilator?
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# 8
01-17-2013, 06:46 PM
Dont get discouraged, get even. Q up with a team with tacs scis and healers. If you go puggin it then expect anything including getting Rolfstomped. That can happen in FvsF. You came across a player who knew what he was doing and how to counter the obvious weaknesses of the B'rel. Learn from the best to become better yourself.
Commander
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 289
# 9
01-17-2013, 06:58 PM
I hate to agree but Fed vs KDF is no fun anymore. Its the same one trick pony premades over and over doing the same spam. FED vs FED is also getting redundant if its vs a premade. The only time it gets fun is with two pugs. If you are in a Pug and see its certian premade. You know excatly what they are going to do and who they are going to go after and that you are gong to be subnuked the entire match. I hate to admit it but if it is Starfleet Dental or SOS or others like them I just sigh roll my eyes and que for the next one.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 10
01-17-2013, 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremenoob1 View Post
Admittedly, the siphon/aceton stuff KDF is bad, so I won't really disagree with it and the state of kvf.
Have you tested Aceton Assimilators? They are not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.

With no points in Power Insulators, and max points in Flow Capacitors + a purple MK XII Flow Capacitor console, it only drains 50% of the listed drain amount. That comes out to about 13. If you have 6 points in Power Insulators, it is resisted 100%.

Radiation damage (the DOT and reactionary damage to energy weapons) is limited to about 5km, I believe. Since the Aceton Assimilator does not move, you can easily move away from it. Or push it away with TBR. Or hit it with torpedoes.

The only thing that is rather strong about it is the amount of HP.
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