Originally Posted by orondis

As Xantris says, it's a very strong layout and the ship itself is very strong, being a more focused hull tanker then the fleet HEC.

Also people are forgetting the attack pattern console, which IS going to be overpowered. And the fact this ship will get a bonus from the dominion set.

Seriously, some people do seem to want an iWin ship.

Originally Posted by unangbangkay

The reason the Bug got a 10th console is because of Cryptic's policy that a lockbox ship is equivalent to a Fleet ship, and Fleet ships get 10 consoles.

This is understandable, given how much money it takes on actually GET a lockbox ship, which on paper is far more than you'd pay for any C-Store ship.

The issue here is that the Bug was OP even before its 10th console, so sticking to the "rule" made it even more OP. Since balance takes precedence over canonicity (as should be the case), it's neither feasible nor fair to nerf the Bug solely for the purpose of reintroducing it for another lockbox.

TL;DR Sorry, not gonna happen. Your best chance is another promo like the Reinforcement Pack thing. Cryptic is well aware of the Bug's desirability, and that promo lowered C-store prices significantly thanks to the new influx of Bugs to the Exchange.

Originally Posted by warpangel

The problem with the Jem'hadar HEC is it has too many engineer boff slots. If either of them were a tac or sci instead, it would be an excellent ship. Now you're always going to be left short in either tac or sci department, depending on what you put in the universal slot.

And it should've had 4/4 weapons, how could they make it lighter armed than the Breen ship.

Yeah, the dreadnought should've had 4/4 weapons, too. But at least it has a proper boff layout.

Originally Posted by unangbangkay

Not really. Again, fixing the mistake (i.e. nerfing the Bug) would screw over legit customers that spent gobs of money in one way or another to get a Bug ship.

Remember, they don't have the subscription safety net to rely on.

Balance may take priority over canon, but business takes priority over balance. Usually good balance is good business, but retroactively tampering with customers' goods in service of balance is bad business.

Without nerfing the Bug or axing the Bug, there are only three viable solutions:

1. Raise the bar for everyone by buffing existing ships to Bug level (within reason) - That's both too much work and messes with what's left of the balance, and devalues the Bug people worked hard for. It might happen indirectly when the level cap is raised, but not right now.

2. Release more Bugs - they did that already once, but again, since not everyone has a Bug, it's even worse for balance.

3. Stop releasing Bugs - This is the solution. Despite their OPness Bugs are in a small minority. Never releasing one again eventually negates its impact on balance at large, INCREASES perceived value for the players that DO have one. And ideally, they never release another ship that's as unbalanced as the Bug, which seems to be the case.

Originally Posted by xantris

Oh ffs, this is how you fit the JHEC to have a ship that will absolutely destroy stuff.

Cmdr Tac- TT1, CSV1, TSIII, APB3
Lt Cmdr Eng- EptSI, AuxttoBat, RSP (or DEM/EWP)
Lt Eng- EptA1, Auxtobatt
Lt Sci- TSS1, HE2 (or reverse these, whatever your fancy)
Ens Sci- PH1

Stick 3 turrets, 3 DHCs, and a Torp on it. Preferably Romulan Plasma with an Omega/Romulan torp. And add an elite Scorpion hanger pet.

Now put 3 purple technicians doffs in that reduce BO ability recharge times when using Aux to Battery (which you will cycle every 10 seconds). All your tac abilities recharge times will be at or near the system recharge times, so you can cycle them just like you had two versions. Your Emergency powers are the same, and all your science and eng skills will have drastically reduced recharge timers, so while they won't heal as much with reduced Aux, they will have a significantly higher uptime. You can also pop an EptAI if you need a big heal.

Then go ahead and either stick 2 BFI shield doffs or a couple hanger recharge reduction doffs in the the last slots.

Congratulations, you win STO.