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# 261
02-03-2013, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mrgrocer56 View Post
Bort posted a few days ago that the price reduction statement was wrong on his part. No price cut coming.

Don't shoot the messenger, please.
"Wrong" lol. Well thanks for the info. I won't rage about it but... 150 would have been appropriate.

Very likely that it is what they were planning to do but realized there was no good mechanism to refund 50 lobi to those who already bought it so they just said meh... leave the price like it is after all.
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# 262
02-05-2013, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by picardtheiii View Post
"Wrong" lol. Well thanks for the info. I won't rage about it but... 150 would have been appropriate.

Very likely that it is what they were planning to do but realized there was no good mechanism to refund 50 lobi to those who already bought it so they just said meh... leave the price like it is after all.
Pretty much, now the whole thing has been swept underneath the carpet.
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# 263 My Two Cents Worth
02-19-2013, 02:10 PM
Firstly, I have followed this thread with interest and read all the pros and cons about the set and know that the opinions whichever way will be divided.

I really like the Jem'Hadar items in the game and try to keep them as close to the series as intended i.e using only Jem'Hadar items etc. You never saw the Jem'Hadar using phasers in the series. Call me old fashion but hey I enoy it. I use and like the Jem'Hadar Space Set MK XII on my bugship. I also have the Jem'Hadar dreadnaught and Carrier for the Jem'Hadar consoles. The set in its current form works pretty well IMP in PVE and less than OK in PVP as it depends on who is the opposition being a PUG group or premade. I have noticed that I can survive longer with the Adapted MACO Space Set MK XII which lends to the option of superiority.

What I dont understand is PWEs direction that (Quote Borticuscryptic) "intend for STF/Omega and Starbase/Embassy gear to be superior in scope to items that can be obtained from Missions and/or Lobi Store." It seems to be a marketing flaw to have something that is required to be purchased (Lobi in Lockboxes opened buy purchased keys) opposed to something that is free other than the constant grind for marks etc. to be superior. Surely they realise that anyone who pays for something wants it to be better than free items and IMO it should be.

Given the fact undisputed fact I paid 200 Lobi for the Jem'Hadar Space Set MK XII, 800 Lobi for the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught and the Carrier I brought for EC and I was unwilling to spend more money on Keys than I had after obtain enough Lobi for the Dreadnaught and Mk XII set. So I have contributed to PWE revenue (and happy to do so as I really want the set for my bug) for inferior items to Free items. It seems to be about face and if PWE want the revenue it would make the set superior in the game, why not? We are paying to be superior. The same reasoning about the inferior items is the dreadnaught vs Fleet ships. The paid product is inferior to the free product. I think PWE marketing need to rethink their strategy. May PWE could explain he reasoning why the paid for items in the game is inferior to the freely obtain items and different to the concept with Fleet Ships?

This is a different philosophy that PWE has taken for the Fleet ships. To acquire Fleet ships, which are superior to free ships, you need to purchase the pre-ship first plus a module or four modules. i.e you are paying for something, by buying modules ($20-$25) (PWE revenue) for ships that are superior and that?s the way it should be. And this has fewer gripes about paying for superior items except from those who continue to post about pay to win (PTW) but IMO you pay for what you get. If someone wants to pay for something that is the best then good luck to them, everyone has the opportunity to do so.
Imagine the feedback if the Fleet Ships were inferior to free ships. STOers would question the reason for paying for inferior items like the Jem'Hadar Space Set MK XII.

As for the ?Victory is Life? component of the Jem'Hadar Space Set MK XII all indicates I see is that it does not work. Another flaw with the space set and nothing in borticuscryptic advised updates. I tested this extensively using CRF only with in different times using Dual cannons and Dual Heavy Cannons only with no attack buffs to allow more shots to be fired on the target. on an opponent defensively buffing and nothing was striped. I wonder if anything is happening with Victory is Life if there's no immunity applied and there's no icon to suggest that something was removed. We could not tell after an hour of testing with over a plethora of cannon fire. The enhancement states ?1% chance to strip one buff while using polaron weaponry? So if I shoot 100 shots then 1 in every 100 has a chance to proc. But what is the 1% chance against? Shots/DPS/Time? Without know the value you cant determine your chance. 1% is really low but a 1% chance is rather extreme. They say you have a 1% chance to win the lottery which really means that for 99.99% of the population will never win it. That why ?Victory is Life? never procs for 99.99% of STOers.

Maybe PWE could explain how it exactly works and what the 1% chance is against.

My two cents worth

Lobster
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 264
02-20-2013, 07:41 AM
I think paid for items should be as good as if only a slight bit better than grinded items. It saves you time in getting them but doesn't make it a pay to win game. It just means you get the best stuff faster and maybe some weird and wonderful combos.
Rihannsu
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# 265
02-25-2013, 08:07 PM
Am I missing something or has the cost of the space set upgrade reverted to, or never been changed from, 200 lobi?

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# 266
03-08-2013, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by theindefatigable View Post
Am I missing something or has the cost of the space set upgrade reverted to, or never been changed from, 200 lobi?

It was never changed.
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# 267
03-10-2013, 12:15 PM
I've ended up using the Jem engine and deflector for damage/skill boosts, with the Adapted MACO shield. I sorta miss having the AP sweep , but not blowing up constantly is a good tradeoff. I'd miss Victory is Life too, if it had ever worked.
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# 268
03-31-2013, 01:45 AM
The JH Set is an acquired taste. It would work well on the JH Attack Ship and maybe with some adjustments on the JH Escort Carrier. Like most upgrades from XI to XII the only differences with those Engines is the Full Impulse rating from 105 to 110. I haven't seen the specs on the JH XII Set, but judging from the most of the others sets like the 'KHG', Assim., etc. all the engine specs are the same XI to XII, except for the above item. However, I am sure that there a improvements on the Shield and Deflector of the JH XII.

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# 269 Not in Lobi Anymore??
10-22-2014, 09:09 PM
I couldn't find the upgrade to MK XII in lobi anymore. Is it removed?
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# 270
10-22-2014, 09:57 PM
Yes

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