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Has anyone run the numbers between the two dominion ships? Which is more viable for PVP? Just doesn't make sense to buy a ship that is not PVP worthy.
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# 2
01-24-2013, 07:51 PM
Many have already been saying neither is really viable for pvp but will make decent pve ships.

jemhadar Dreadnought carrier turns and moves to slow to take advantage of its Cmdr and Lt tac stations and doesn't have enough healing for a ship like that to survive.

Jemhadar Heavy escort carrier has worst turn of any escort and also bad boff layout for an escort so probably won't fare to much better. It has Cmdr tac and lt universal, but if you use the universal as tac it will only have ensign sci.

Sort of like the steamrunner, people thought it was cool at first, but only having ensign sci really limited it and now it isn't even seen in pvp much.
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# 3
01-24-2013, 07:51 PM
The heavy escort is.... pfft lol, target practice. The carrier on the other hand is tanky as it is has damage potenial.
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# 4
01-24-2013, 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by devorasx View Post
The heavy escort is.... pfft lol, target practice. The carrier on the other hand is tanky as it is has damage potenial.
I have to disagree. The Dreadnought Carrier only has enough heals for an Escort, with the penalties of a being a carrier. It's turn rate is only 1 point better at base then the Vor'quv, and I think .5 better then the Recluse. That sort of a disadvantage is just not going to win it any popularity contests.

Not to mention you have to be either Super Lucky, or Super Rich, or both, to have both the JHDC + JHAS just for the new Pets. I'd say that the JHHEC is a better ship then the JHDC. But of course that's my opinion.
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# 5
01-24-2013, 11:26 PM
Unfortunately the best ship this lock box is the mirror patrol escort.
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# 6
01-24-2013, 11:57 PM
the jem dreadnaught would be fantastic if it had similar boff layout to that Mirror Universe Vo?Quv Carrier.

1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science

Be perfect for no win scenario! Have gravity well and enough bite to justify having such low turn rate. I would actually want the dreadnaught if it had that layout and got rid of the stupid ensign slot to get a second lt com.
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# 7
01-25-2013, 12:00 AM
That I agree. MVAM with a PE layout? Its a dream come half true! (No fleet variant.)

The JHEC isn't an escort. Its a 7 weapon flight deck cruiser which gave up a weapon slot to have enough turn to put the Excelsior to shame. Load it with single cannons, slot a sci in that universal, carry basic eng necessities and paint the town pink with your CRF3.

I do like the JDNC as well. I do wish it didn't have so many tac slots!! 5 is enough. I find myself forced to carry a tric mine and getting DP3. Which of course is pretty damn powerful by itself.

The big big difference is that extra weapon. It is the only 7 weapon 2bay carrier the Feds have. I think that alone makes it better than a Recluse. In my book, it is giving up VM for an extra weapon to BFAW from so YMMV.

Btw, anyone else humming Imperial March while taking the JDNC for a shakedown cruise? I was talking through a rebreathing mask to my fleetmates for a while since I got mine this afternoon.
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# 8
01-25-2013, 12:04 AM
Originally Posted by robdmc View Post
Unfortunately the best ship this lock box is the mirror patrol escort.
how is that unfortunate? lol *flys off in said MUPE*

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# 9
01-25-2013, 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by cynder2012 View Post
how is that unfortunate? lol *flys off in said MUPE*
Well I was hoping that the new lockbox ship would have had slightly better Boff layouts. the rest was awesome. I love the idea of a team attack pattern buff but I wouldn't want to use these ship. I like my bug ship a whole lot better then these. I even like the free breen ship more then these. I have an mvam though and this ship opens up a lot more options including more visualizations for the Fleet Advance Escort.

I was not excepting the mirror ship to be the best prize. That was a bit of a let down but that just means for a few hundred ec I just got a lot of option for my mvam. That is nice. The other sad part is that the dominion ships aren't second place either. the new warhead on my peregrine fighter is.

This means this lock box is the cheapest one for me.
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# 10
01-25-2013, 07:13 AM
Must agree. I picked-up the dreadnought from the Lobi Store for the console, and after briefly giving it a try, I quickly changed my mind.

It has not endearing qualities whatsoever, other than looking awesome.

The only thing I can describe it as, is that is resembles one of those second world war destroyers that get towed-to-sea to serve as targets for the navy.

It cannot turn so its main armaments are useless, even with a purple MXII RCS console. More one cannot afford else its hull will be paper thin.

It cannot heal. There is just no way this thing can be made viable for PvP IMO.

Two or more focused targets on it, the ship is overcome relatively quickly.

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