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# 361
02-25-2013, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by scififan78 View Post
I honestly don't see why everyone is so upset. It is your own fault for not reading before making the purchase. It was stated in the blog before the Dominion Lock Box went live.
It was stated. I knew I wouldn't be able to use the bug pets when I got the dreadnaught. That doesn't make it any less of a dumb thing to pull on players.

The literal equivalent would be if the Orb Weaver said, "cannot use tetryon weapons or quantum torpedoes unless the character also owns a Recluse carrier". Or if the Vesta couldn't uses any dual cannons except the ones it came with unless you also owned a MVAE. Sure you can use the ships without those options, but how the heck is this restriction at all sensible?

People flying Bugs don't care about the hangar pet since they can't mount it, and people flying the Dreadnaught probably don't care about flying a Bug because the ships are completely different in play style and character builds.

That is the basis of customer dissatisfaction.
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# 362
02-25-2013, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
It was stated. I knew I wouldn't be able to use the bug pets when I got the dreadnaught. That doesn't make it any less of a dumb thing to pull on players.

The literal equivalent would be if the Orb Weaver said, "cannot use tetryon weapons or quantum torpedoes unless the character also owns a Recluse carrier". Or if the Vesta couldn't uses any dual cannons except the ones it came with unless you also owned a MVAE. Sure you can use the ships without those options, but how the heck is this restriction at all sensible?

People flying Bugs don't care about the hangar pet since they can't mount it, and people flying the Dreadnaught probably don't care about flying a Bug because the ships are completely different in play style and character builds.

That is the basis of customer dissatisfaction.
And that is a fair argument. My comment was more for those that "OMG!! I bought the Jem Dread and to my surprise, I can't buy the bug pets!"

I suppose a fair compromise would be that if any character on an account has the bug, then the pet could be unlocked for any character that account. People are crying about Cryptic trying to make money on a free to play game. If they don't, then the game shuts down.
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# 363
02-25-2013, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by scififan78 View Post
I honestly don't see why everyone is so upset. It is your own fault for not reading before making the purchase. It was stated in the blog before the Dominion Lock Box went live.

"Not everyone comes to the website, so how do they expect everyone to know?"

Fair enough.....how about this.

In Game Screenshot of the Dreadnought Description

Notice the last two lines of the last paragraph. It is right there in black and white. All it takes is to right click on the item and read.
u are stupid if u dont understand. next time they release half a ship, the other half for sale for 300 million. dont u understand that this starts a trend...

this guy cant see the bigger picture....

also, WHY ONLY THIS SHIP? MAKE THE KUMARI HAVE ONLY 1 TAC SLOT TILL BUYIN 300 MILL ITEM
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# 364
02-25-2013, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by roelandm View Post
u are stupid if u dont understand.
A bit harsh calling me stupid because I am stating my opinion. People are crying that they bought the ship specifically for the use of the Jem Bug pets. It has been stated in the dev blog and in game description that the attack ship was REQUIRED to buy the pets. They are stupid for not reading provided material.



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Originally Posted by roelandm View Post
next time they release half a ship, the other half for sale for 300 million. dont u understand that this starts a trend...

this guy cant see the bigger picture....

also, WHY ONLY THIS SHIP? MAKE THE KUMARI HAVE ONLY 1 TAC SLOT TILL BUYIN 300 MILL ITEM
Blame the players for the price of the attack ship on the exchange. Cryptic is not responsible for player greed. It was intended as a perk for those that owns the Bug to sell the dreadnought. I just don't get y'all. I have seen complaining for a lack of exclusivity but, when they introduce one, it's all of the sudden not fair. None of what they are selling is needed for the game. If you feel you have to have it, that is a flaw in your own inhibition.
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# 365
02-25-2013, 12:07 PM
I knew that the devs said it wasn't going to be available unless we have the attack ship. That didn't make me any less upset when that decision went live, Lol. People point out that it would be like having to buy another ship from the C-store to get abilities for a current ship you have already bought. They forget to mention that the price of that illusive C-store ship is like 350 dollars .

Last I checked the Jem'hadar attack ship is selling for 499,000,000 energy credits on the exchange. It's bonkers! I only have around 200m EC and I still wouldn't buy a ship for that much (barring I couldn't resell it ) just to use the hanger pet.

As I stated before, I also wouldn't give the Jem'hadar attack ship to my engineer captain because she is a carrier captain. I wouldn't give the Jem'hadar ship to my tactical captain because then I wouldn't be able to get the attack ship hanger pets on my engineer. I'm just darned if I do darned if I don't.

If the devs sold the Jem'hadar attack ship hanger pet on the Z-store I would probably have bought them. If they sold them for like 50 or 100 thousand dilithium, I probably would buy them. But, attaching them to thee most expensive, sought after, rarest ship in the game is gut wrenching. Unfortunately people mistake the want of the JHAS hanger for laziness or greed. I'm willing to pay, lord know it. It's just the asking price is way too high.

I own the elite scorpions, so getting the Jem'hadar attack ship hangers isn't an upgrade dps wise. Sometimes you want the theme of the ship you are flying. It's why I bought polaron weapons for my dreadnought (even though I have better weapons), it's why I make sure to have disruptors on my Klingon ships, When I fly my dreadnought I use my captains costume that makes her look like a Vorta, and now for my Andorian ship I have my tactical captain dressed like an Andorian . If the Jem'hadar fighters did reasonable damage, then that would fit the theme of the ship. It's sad that even the very rare Jem'hadar fighters can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Long story short:
I want the Jem'hadar attack ship hanger pet.

I don't want the Jem'hadar attack ship. It's not a ship that has ever interested me. It would be an incredible waste if I bought it as I would never use it.

I am willing to pay a reasonable price for the Jem'hadar attack ship hanger pet .
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# 366
02-25-2013, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scififan78 View Post
A bit harsh calling me stupid because I am stating my opinion. People are crying that they bought the ship specifically for the use of the Jem Bug pets. It has been stated in the dev blog and in game description that the attack ship was REQUIRED to buy the pets. They are stupid for not reading provided material.





Blame the players for the price of the attack ship on the exchange. Cryptic is not responsible for player greed. It was intended as a perk for those that owns the Bug to sell the dreadnought. I just don't get y'all. I have seen complaining for a lack of exclusivity but, when they introduce one, it's all of the sudden not fair. None of what they are selling is needed for the game. If you feel you have to have it, that is a flaw in your own inhibition.
you don't get us, because you are jumping in at the ass end and not reading what has been stated before, you have your own off based assumption because of what you read in the last 3 or 5 pages.

its far more complicated than you wanna go back to observe.
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# 367
02-25-2013, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by scififan78 View Post
A bit harsh calling me stupid because I am stating my opinion. People are crying that they bought the ship specifically for the use of the Jem Bug pets. It has been stated in the dev blog and in game description that the attack ship was REQUIRED to buy the pets. They are stupid for not reading provided material.





Blame the players for the price of the attack ship on the exchange. Cryptic is not responsible for player greed. It was intended as a perk for those that owns the Bug to sell the dreadnought. I just don't get y'all. I have seen complaining for a lack of exclusivity but, when they introduce one, it's all of the sudden not fair. None of what they are selling is needed for the game. If you feel you have to have it, that is a flaw in your own inhibition.


the reason ppl are so mad, is cause its ****ing USELESS to get the bug for a SCI or ENG captain ... seemed too obvious to need to explain that though...
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# 368
02-25-2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scififan78 View Post
A bit harsh calling me stupid because I am stating my opinion. People are crying that they bought the ship specifically for the use of the Jem Bug pets. It has been stated in the dev blog and in game description that the attack ship was REQUIRED to buy the pets. They are stupid for not reading provided material.





Blame the players for the price of the attack ship on the exchange. Cryptic is not responsible for player greed. It was intended as a perk for those that owns the Bug to sell the dreadnought. I just don't get y'all. I have seen complaining for a lack of exclusivity but, when they introduce one, it's all of the sudden not fair. None of what they are selling is needed for the game. If you feel you have to have it, that is a flaw in your own inhibition.
Inhibition has absolutely nothing to do with this.

It's a case of an item that was clearly made to work with the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier being gated behind the need to own a completely different playing style ship with the hopes that doing so will bring Cryptic more revenue.

Let's also add in the fact that this move kind of forces the player to choose which of their Characters they will need to unlock both vessels and using one vessel over the other would almost guarantee that you'd need to respec each time if you wanted to maximize your effectiveness with each vessel.

IMO this is a shameless money grab that clearly was not thought though by Cryptic.

You can state that you don't see a problem with this and that's your right to do so but I see this has an outrage and blatant slap in the face to Carrier Enthusiasts or players that expect value for their monetary investment.

I own the Dread but I refuse to unpack it for the simple reason that Cryptic is trying to dictate to me what Character I'm going to use it on and expect me to be cool with having to jump through hoops just to get options that can only be used with the Carrier in hopes that I'll help them line their pockets.

The Hanger Attack ships are nothing short of complete junk ATM and I'd stick with my Ultra Rare Scorpion Fighters over the way the Attack Ships currently perform but the fact remains that the Hanger Bugs belong with the Dreadnought Carrier and I should not have to go out and buy or play the luck game to get a ship that I'd never use just to unlock options that can only be used with something that already own.

It's pretty obvious at least to me why no Dev. has commented on this topic and that's because there's no way to possibly justify what they've done with this situation.

If there is a logical reason that Cryptic chose to take this action with the Dreadnought Carrier then I'm begging them to let us all hear it.
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# 369
02-25-2013, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by scififan78 View Post
A bit harsh calling me stupid because I am stating my opinion. People are crying that they bought the ship specifically for the use of the Jem Bug pets. It has been stated in the dev blog and in game description that the attack ship was REQUIRED to buy the pets. They are stupid for not reading provided material.





Blame the players for the price of the attack ship on the exchange. Cryptic is not responsible for player greed. It was intended as a perk for those that owns the Bug to sell the dreadnought. I just don't get y'all. I have seen complaining for a lack of exclusivity but, when they introduce one, it's all of the sudden not fair. None of what they are selling is needed for the game. If you feel you have to have it, that is a flaw in your own inhibition.
Half a ship? And then call someone else stupid?

Dude you are not forced to use JHAS, u can use any other pet that any other carrier can use and u can use jem fighters.

Are all other carriers half ships? Don't think so.

Again no one forces u to use the JHAS pet, u can use any other pet just like the other carriers. If you would have read before buying u would have known this. The JHAS pet is a extra feature if u own the ship yourself. It has nothing to do with the carrier.

Half a ship..
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# 370
02-25-2013, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by radiar3 View Post
Half a ship? And then call someone else stupid?

Dude you are not forced to use JHAS, u can use any other pet that any other carrier can use and u can use jem fighters.

Are all other carriers half ships? Don't think so.

Again no one forces u to use the JHAS pet, u can use any other pet just like the other carriers. If you would have read before buying u would have known this. The JHAS pet is a extra feature if u own the ship yourself. It has nothing to do with the carrier.

Half a ship..
Your statment is only half true and incomplete.

You can use any Fighter Class Hanger craft from the other Carriers provided that you own the Carriers that they were made for except the Recluse nothing else can use its fighters.

You can not use The BOP or Frigate (KDF) Stalker Fighters (Fed) because if you could most of us would not be so upset about not being able to use the Hanger Attack Ships because we could just use the ABOP.

The Jem Fighters stink on ice and the Hanger Attack ships are not much better but at the very least they can take a punch.

Right now Dread owners that do not own the Attack ship have no options for more durable Hanger support and are stuck with thin skined fighters.

For Carrier users it can feel like only having half a ship
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