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Lieutenant
Join Date: Oct 2012
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I have an abundance of cruisers on my fed main characters, and look to be getting yet another "free" cruiser for the anniversary. At least it is the Ambassador Class.

With the current dilithium economy, it is cheaper to use Zen to buy the ship as an unlock for all chars (I'm got too many alts), than even attempt to earn enough for individual unlocks of the older style ships.

Majority PvE:

What do you feel is the best c-store escort (any class)?
I'm looking at:
1. Heavy Escort Cruiser - Escort + mini Carrier sounds fun. I liked the concept of carriers but the Voq on the Klingon side was a horrid turning boat that felt slow and clunky to use.
2. Multi-Vector-Assualt - Already have the regular ones on a few chars and it flies well, and have seen/heard good things about the split mode.



What do you feel is the best c-store sci ship (any class)?
Looking at:
0. Temporal - Love the design and bowtie-coolness factor of the ship, but need about 70 mil more EC,which would require me to stop buying stupid things and actually save my money.
1. Nebula - I like the old style look of it and seen some pretty setups back when they first came out. But it would be for looks on this one, more than functionality.
2. Vulcan Ship- Probably my strongest inclination. Seems the most sci ship like without horrid turning problems.
3. New Vesta Class? Which Variant- Looks too much like the Oddy in my book, and seems like it would feel more Cruiser-like than Science-y.
4. Cat Carrier? Read it is like the Voq on the Klingon side, and I'm not a fan of that ship.



Unrelated question: Is there a way to get the steamrunner ship on an existing account? Or does it truly require a new char?
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 2
01-28-2013, 11:46 AM
If you're looking for C-Store escorts, the Defiant, Chimaera, Jem'Hadar fighter, and Steamrunner are the best.

Personally, I'm flying a Vesta, and it's a great ship. 40% escort, 30% sci, 30% cruiser. It's more durable than the MVAM Prometheus (which I also have), and packs a bigger punch than the cruisers you probably have. It's not as tanky, but can heal hull/shields quickly if set up properly.

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Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,410
# 3
01-28-2013, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by thejosephine View Post
I have an abundance of cruisers on my fed main characters, and look to be getting yet another "free" cruiser for the anniversary. At least it is the Ambassador Class.

With the current dilithium economy, it is cheaper to use Zen to buy the ship as an unlock for all chars (I'm got too many alts), than even attempt to earn enough for individual unlocks of the older style ships.

Majority PvE:

What do you feel is the best c-store escort (any class)?
I'm looking at:
1. Heavy Escort Cruiser - Escort + mini Carrier sounds fun. I liked the concept of carriers but the Voq on the Klingon side was a horrid turning boat that felt slow and clunky to use.
2. Multi-Vector-Assualt - Already have the regular ones on a few chars and it flies well, and have seen/heard good things about the split mode.



What do you feel is the best c-store sci ship (any class)?
Looking at:
0. Temporal - Love the design and bowtie-coolness factor of the ship, but need about 70 mil more EC,which would require me to stop buying stupid things and actually save my money.
1. Nebula - I like the old style look of it and seen some pretty setups back when they first came out. But it would be for looks on this one, more than functionality.
2. Vulcan Ship- Probably my strongest inclination. Seems the most sci ship like without horrid turning problems.
3. New Vesta Class? Which Variant- Looks too much like the Oddy in my book, and seems like it would feel more Cruiser-like than Science-y.
4. Cat Carrier? Read it is like the Voq on the Klingon side, and I'm not a fan of that ship.



Unrelated question: Is there a way to get the steamrunner ship on an existing account? Or does it truly require a new char?
The Wells class is pretty decent, but I find it similar to the Intrepid-retrofit - it's fairly balanced but it's unique console has very little use, at least by my playstyle.

The D'Kyr is arguably one of my favourite C-Store ships. Design-wise, it's a nice ship and it's inbuilt abilities lend itself to decent healer build, using the Tal'Kyr to tank shields and science boff abilities like hazard emitters to buff hull strength. I intend to test this on an Elite Cure Found STF once the game is fixed, as I suspect it could function as a useful support vessel in those situations.

The Atrox is...well, it's like all true carriers. I'd call it a glass cannon but it's simply more of a glass - it dies pretty easily. Plus it's a terrible aesthetic design. The only real notable difference between Atrox and Vo'Quv is that the Vo'Quv gets much more useful pets.
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# 4
01-28-2013, 12:43 PM
The Vesta is actually more like an escort than a cruiser. The 12 turn rate is sufficient for you to load up DHCs and charge up close. It's a worse carrier than every other hanger-capable ship though, with really slow launch animations. You do get room for Grav Well 3, which is nice.

The Heavy Escort Carrier is more of an escort while having better launching capabilities, and honestly I'm only looking at carriers right now because Elite Scorpion Fighters add roughly 1k DPS per hanger, and have the added benefit of Intercept mode effectively neutering plasma balls and high yield plasma from Borg. It also seems to be an effective counter-measure to invisible Borg torpedoes, since the fighters appear to be able to shoot them down.

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# 5
01-28-2013, 12:53 PM
C-Store Escort: Armitage. Since you PvE, you WILL have a blast with this ship.
C-Store Science Ship: Don't go c-store, go fleet.
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# 6
01-28-2013, 12:57 PM
I haven't tried the escorts, but my impressions of them are:

MVAE: Basically the ultimate PvE sci ship: an escort with Grav Well. Loses a little by not having an LtC tac, but the MVAM console and the ability to run GW will make that up.

HEC: A super-survivable escort with a hangar on top. Again, no LtC tac, but the hangar will make that up (especially with Elite Scorpions), and the LtC eng lets you run either EWP or a high level survivability boost.

I do know sci ships, however.

The Vesta is probably the best one there is, with the Temp Sci second and the others far behind. The Vesta does not need to be cruiser like, it has the same mobility stats as the DSSV, and I run mine with that boff layout too. Of course, it gets its advantage from the cannons, and the Aux cannons in particular, so that can be a challenge, I imagine particularly in PvP, but it pays off in high DPS from energy weapons with high Aux power.

The Temp Sci gets a high turnrate with the option to have either an LtC tac or eng, but it does lose its LtC sci for that. I think the big advantage though is the Temporal Backstep, which provides a huge heal and an ability CD reduction. I've never really seen it in action or used it myself, but it does kind of go against your stated intention of getting an account unlock.

The Nebula and D'Kyr both used to be ok ships, but they are rather outclassed by the Vesta and Temp Sci unless you really have a specific build in mind that won't work on those (and actually the Temp Sci can run the same boff layout as the D'Kyr, only disadvantages are the lack of the D'Kyr special ability and the account unlock).
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# 7
01-28-2013, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
C-Store Science Ship: Don't go c-store, go fleet.
I would think the Vesta is a better Science Ship than any other, no?

Run full Aux cannons fore, and load up with mines or whatever rear. Aux power only, ignore weapons power. Very few other ships can do that.

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# 8
01-28-2013, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by darkjeff View Post
I would think the Vesta is a better Science Ship than any other, no?

Run full Aux cannons fore, and load up with mines or whatever rear. Aux power only, ignore weapons power. Very few other ships can do that.
Tbh, I don't really like the BOff setup of the Vesta and the stats the ship has. Not for the level of cost you have to pay. I know a lot of people who are in love with their Vesta, and swear by her, and others that think the Vesta is a terrible fail (I think those players are just terrible tbh), and her ability to use DHCs is interesting if nothing else.

But I prefer using the fleet science vessels over the Vesta. Now the science ship I use is the Fleet Recon Science Vessel. Very tactically inclined while still maintaining good science potential/ability. Also can cycle TT and have a BFAW/TS. What I really like about it though is the Cmdr Science + LtCmdr Science. Gives me the ability to heal myself and others wonderfully while still draining targets to death like a boss.

Now you are correct, there are no other ships that can run weapons off of purely aux, but I will add on that it doesn't make the Vesta better so much as just different. It's fit to a playstyle that I don't have/use. Hence why my suggestion of just going fleet.
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 41
# 9
01-28-2013, 01:18 PM
Woah... hold up there.... when did they add aux-based cannons? That sounds a bit too awesome for sci ships. Though, what do you put in the back then?

Which Vesta variant are you guys discussing? If I get one, it will probably be just one, rather than the 3 pack.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 850
# 10
01-28-2013, 01:26 PM
Escort - Heavy Escort Carrier

A surprisingly versatile escort, partly because of it's hanger and partly thanks to it's Lt Cmdr engineer station.

The pets add an extra bit of DPS or provides you with some crowd control. In the case of defending a freighter, you can use shield drones to recharge it's shields. Advanced Peregrine fighters are excellent in STFs when firing at unshielded targets (all those quantum torps).

A combination of shield drones, aux to SIF and extend shields makes you an escort that can both deal high dps AND support team members.

You could use 2x directed energy modulation and delta flyers for shield penetration.

Very versatile for an escort.

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